I almost bought one of the first ones. I'd like for the Eco diesel to succeed
That's not at all how your posts come off. They come off as happy the Ecodiesel has a problem - "All these hassles to save a few bucks on gas" and "I love my Eco diesel sooooo much. When it runs. Lol. You guys are hilarious. " are absolutely NOT the words of someone hoping the Ecodiesel succeeds. Those words are intentionally inflammatory. Hard to take them any other way.
I'm sorry if I've rubbed you the wrong way
Doubtful.
but you only want to hear how wonderful they are.<snip>As far as being a pimple on your whatever, too bad it's a public forum and I'm not blowing sunshine to sooth your bent ego.
Seriously? THAT's what you see? I'm on this specific thread daily because I expect I'll go through it like everyone else did and I want to know what's going on. I'm not on here to hear how wonderful they are! Why would anyone go to ANY online forum about ANY product to find out how wonderful it is? That NEVER happens. I want to know the truth. And the TRUTH is, this is an issue that affects a LOT of diesel owners, but it's NOT a major, lemon law worthy issue! Come on! The check engine light comes on, you get a flash. The check engine light comes on again you get a cat and SOMETIMES a DEF injector. End of story for MOST owners.
That is lemon law material? I would argue that it is only for someone that doesn't like the vehicle to begin with and is looking for a way out. The first people who got the P20EE MIL had trouble because FCA didn't know what was going on or exactly the best way to fix it. Seems like they're getting it under control now and it's getting fixed in a pretty consistent way. I can see why the early owners would have been worried and thinking about lemon laws.
Further, it is ABSOLUTELY NOT TYPICAL for the P20EE error to cause the vehicle to be inoperative. My MIL went out on it's own, others have driven HUNDREDS (thousands?) of miles with MIL on and no apparent difference in how the vehicle drives. It's SIMPLY NOT A BIG DEAL. I'll qualify that... TO ME!
What pisses me off is a non owner coming on here to "rub it in". "Ha, ha, should have sucked it up, been happy with 18 MPG (on a good day) and bought the Hemi." Well you know what? Maybe the Hemi is the right engine for you, maybe the Hemi is the right engine for LOTS of GC owners. BUT, I made a decision by testing the engine and weighting the pros/cons. FOR ME, the Ecodiesel was the right choice, and it STILL IS! How can you possibly know what caused us to choose the diesel? How could you? Your circumstances are completely different than mine, completely different than every other person who decided to buy a GC. I don't need the fastest car in the 1/4 (do you? Maybe, good on you, but I don't need that!!) I don't need to tow. I don't need great gas mileage (we have a Prius for that). I picked the engine for it's overall feel, and I felt it was the best compromise of the 3 choices. You didn't make that same decision, I'm OK with that. Why are YOU not OK with MY decision? Why can YOU not understand that this P20EE issue is NOT big enough to make me hate my choice or hate the car or go crying "lemon law, lemon law!"?
Do you see? I LOVE THE ECODIESEL! I LOVE THE HEMI, I'm OK with the 3.6. But that's me! I don't care what engine you chose, why do you care what engine I chose? Why does it matter so much to you? If I'm being honest (not to inflame, just seriously being honest) and using what (admittedly little) I know about you, I'd say you're here to justify your decision NOT to get the Ecodiesel. You see this problem and it makes you feel secure in your decision. If so, that's great. But again I say, your reasons for your choice are not my reasons for my choice.
So please, if you have something useful to offer other than "ha ha, the Ecodiesel sucks" then by all means stay around and provide us with that useful information - pro or con, good or bad, I don't care. Just please make it useful.
If, on the other hand, you have nothing USEFUL to give us, then PLEASE (for the 3rd time) go somewhere else. I hear PriusChat is looking for some trolls.