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An ecodiesel (or most modern diesel) owner's best bet is to disable the EGR from day one. AND, running a catch can helps keep the buildup down a bit too.
As far as I understand it, the PCV that is coking our turbos and intakes is really just an emissions feature too. Catch cans are a hack and are certainly not an ideal fix.

Ideally the GDE tune would have deleted that along with EGR--or at least allowed the PCV line to be disconnected without throwing codes, much like the Liberty CRD owners did in the past.

I wonder if the PPEI folks will help us out. I mean, their tune also allows DPF/SCR delete in addition to EGR delete.

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Old 08-24-2015, 06:48 PM
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As far as I understand it, the PCV that is coking our turbos and intakes is really just an emissions feature too. Catch cans are a hack and are certainly not an ideal fix.

Ideally the GDE tune would have deleted that along with EGR--or at least allowed the PCV line to be disconnected without throwing codes, much like the Liberty CRD owners did in the past.

I wonder if the PPEI folks will help us out. I mean, their tune also allows DPF/SCR delete in addition to EGR delete.

A catch can is a better hack than venting to atmosphere in my book. I've vented before, it stinks, literally!
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Old 08-26-2015, 05:25 PM
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Update: I went over to the dealership on Friday to "discuss" my recent issues with the Jeep and this repair process. They have had my vehicle now for 2 weeks and work has stalled. The dealer does not have the tools to complete the cylinder head replacement on hand so they had to order them from Chrysler and wait for them to arrive.

The service rep I have been working with, who seems to be trying to do his best to help me, took me out to the back to show me what's going on. The engine was completely torn apart and the cylinder heads were exposed. Inside each hole was 2-3 mm of caked on carbon dust. There was no doubt that they needed replacement and that it was causing the issue. I took two photos in case anyone wants to see what the engine tear down looks like. It was kind of hard to get a good photo of the carbon build up though.

I am guessing that at some point there will be a lot more of these things going in for this repair job. Chrysler has jerryrigged this Italian engine with so much emissions crap it wasn't designed for, its bound to have issues long term. At this point, I am done with this engine and gunning for a buyback. It was clear that the service techs at the dealership have no idea how to tear the Jeep down to do the head replacement, much less put it back together properly without further issue. I just have no confidence that it will work properly after this is complete. Maybe I am wrong, but this repair just seems inevitable on all the diesels given the emissions system.
I surely hope they are properly sealing the open ports to the inside of the engine with it just sitting there. Bunch of dirt, debris and what not (not to mention tools, bolts etc) falling down is going to be a real headache....

I really dread dealer service personnel doing an oil change correctly let alone tear down and put back together a rare engine.
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I surely hope they are properly sealing the open ports to the inside of the engine with it just sitting there. Bunch of dirt, debris and what not (not to mention tools, bolts etc) falling down is going to be a real headache....



I really dread dealer service personnel doing an oil change correctly let alone tear down and put back together a rare engine.

I'd rather they just give me 2 cyl heads with gaskets, head bolts, coolant, oil, filter, and a thank you and I'd be on my happy way lol. Well, I doubt Jeep mechs are worse than VW mechs I've seen destroy engine after engine from botched timing belt jobs.
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A catch can is a better hack than venting to atmosphere in my book. I've vented before, it stinks, literally!

I can't believe you don't like the smell of a warmed up diesel engine venting to atmosphere. Walking by an older warm diesel idling sounds and smells darn good in my book.
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I can't believe you don't like the smell of a warmed up diesel engine venting to atmosphere. Walking by an older warm diesel idling sounds and smells darn good in my book.

Well, it's the clouds that sometimes come out from underneath and come up in my window at stoplight a I don't like. Sometimes they are very visible too. I couldn't imagine having a new $50k diesel smoking from under the hood. Catch cans work great for that as long as they look tidy under the hood imo.
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Well, it's the clouds that sometimes come out from underneath and come up in my window at stoplight a I don't like. Sometimes they are very visible too. I couldn't imagine having a new $50k diesel smoking from under the hood. Catch cans work great for that as long as they look tidy under the hood imo.
I agree. Smoke clouds would not be good! The old diesels just blew vapor on the ground with a very slight mist of engine oil if you put your hand down by the breather pipe.
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Re: New TSB 009-006-15

Update: Day 18 in the shop. The engine repairs are supposedly complete. However when reinstalling the catalytic converter, they somehow broke a flange off of it. So now I have to get a new Cat (my second) which is, unfortunately, backordered. All I can do is laugh at this point or else I may rip my hair out.
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Re: New TSB 009-006-15

Has anyone else experienced this problem just randomly going away? I've driven the Jeep much harder than in the past and I have not experienced the shutter in over a week. Just luck on my part?
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Re: New TSB 009-006-15

Mine has gotten better over time...now I get the shudder perhaps twice a month. Used to be everyday. 16.8k miles. But just got the P20EE code so...
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Re: New TSB 009-006-15

I was hoping to hear updates from MyWay and EagleScout but after waiting about 3 weeks the dealer got the parts in for the cylinder head replacement. I will drop off on Monday and they say it should take about a week. I have not had any mil lights since the cat replacement but the shudder or fishbites occur now and then a couple times a week at the usual moments so I am going ahead with this fix but I am nervous since the dealer said this was their first one. I will post again when I get it back and drive a few miles. I really hope this solves the problem as I like the diesel GC and want to keep it for a few years.
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Re: New TSB 009-006-15

Sorry for the delay in posting, but...

Update Day 37: Jeep is still in the shop. I learned that the CAT that the dealer broke reassembling the engine wasn't the same one they replaced fixing the P20EE code. Its apparently a second CAT that is connected directly to the Turbocharger. Who knew it had two? Anyway, no one at FCA or the dealer seems to be in a hurry to get me a new one now that I am outside the statue of limitations for Lemon Law, so it remains sitting at the dealer. Still no ETA on a new one. Still no idea if the fix will work, or if the dealer screwed things up worse. All of my threats and complaints fall on deaf ears. I am literally pulling my hair out. I don't know what else to do.
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