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Old 02-07-2015, 10:04 AM
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oil sample + 10,000 miles

Anyone using Pennzoil Ultra Euro L taken an oil sample at +10,000 and after the first oil change was already done? Just wondering how and if the wear metals settle down using the approved oil for this engine. I saw a youtube video that claims samples with the approved Pennzoil have a higher rate of metals in the oil, than using Quaker State with Lucus Syn. conditioner. Just wondering how concentrated the metals are using the Pennzoil?

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Anyone using Pennzoil Ultra Euro L taken an oil sample at +10,000 and after the first oil change was already done? Just wondering how and if the wear metals settle down using the approved oil for this engine.
I have a sample that fits that description I will send in for Blackstone soon and will post the results. I did an analysis on the factory oil when I changed it at ~4,200 miles due to the oil life algorithm bug; my factory oil results were posted in this forum in May 2014.

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I saw a youtube video that claims samples with the approved Pennzoil have a higher rate of metals in the oil, than using Quaker State with Lucus Syn. conditioner.
I guess it all comes down to how much you care about keeping your warranty and not killing your DPF (which would reduce fuel economy, not to mention being an expensive repair). The approved oil is a known compromise of engine protection in favor of reducing destruction of the DPF (discussed here).

The only Quaker State that meets MS-11106 appears to be the "European L" type. Just like Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 (MS-11106 approved) is not the same as Mobil 1 5W-30 (not MS-11106 approved), so is "Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W-30" not the same as "Quaker State Ultimate Durability European L 5W-30". Are you certain that's what the guy in your youtube video was using? If not, and he's claiming that using a high-ash, warranty-voiding engine oil works better to lube the engine then that's no surprise.

As for the oil additive, hey, it's your warranty, so it's your decision.
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Re: oil sample + 10,000 miles

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Anyone using Pennzoil Ultra Euro L taken an oil sample at +10,000 and after the first oil change was already done? Just wondering how and if the wear metals settle down using the approved oil for this engine. I saw a youtube video that claims samples with the approved Pennzoil have a higher rate of metals in the oil, than using Quaker State with Lucus Syn. conditioner. Just wondering how concentrated the metals are using the Pennzoil?

It takes longer than 10,000 miles for wear metals to settle down in a new engine. Some people who get a UOA that early in an engine's life panic needlessly. What a UOA will tell you that early on is if you have coolant in the oil, or excessive fuel dilution, wear metals will be high that's a given. Having said that, that's why some people do shorter oil change intervals on new vehicles. A hot topic on message boards for sure!

Other than higher than normal wear metals, was the oil's TBN still fit for service? If so my suggestion would be to get another UOA @ 20,000 miles and look for wear metals to drop, and then another UOA @ @25,000 miles [they have a tool to extract oil via the dipstick in between oil changes], and one more at 30K miles if you'd like and watch them trend down. You'll also know if your oil is holding up for 10K intervals.

As far as Lucas Oil Stabilizer being added to the oil, DON'T USE IT! If anything it will do more harm than good, especially during cold winter starts. It will thicken your oil making it more difficult to pump in cold temps. Use a good oil that meets your engine requirements, and watch your wear metals trend down as you get some more miles on it. Also if you had oil related problems with Lucas in the sump that could cause all kinds of warranty issues.
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Also, having a Fumoto Quik Drain Valve installed would enable you to take "mid change" samples besides making oil changes easier
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Also, having a Fumoto Quik Drain Valve installed would enable you to take "mid change" samples besides making oil changes easier
+1. Love my Fumoto Qwik Valve.
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Re: oil sample + 10,000 miles

This guy is not using the approved Quaker State 5w30, but it well out of his warranty. I would never use that Quaker State in mine in or out of warranty. The only thing that's getting my attention is the wear factor of the Pennzoil Ultra Euro L. I've never used Pennzoil before in any engine, and never though I would till I bought this Jeep. Now I do use it, but would change brands if something that meets specs. easily becomes available down the road. The Mobil 1 ESP is very hard to find. Sorry just not a Pennzoil fan, always seemed to me to be on the lower end of the oil quality spectrum. It's working fine for now in my Ecodiesel. I loved the Mobil Delvac 1300 Super I used in my 5.9L Cummins back in 2006. Had excellent results from Oil Lab Samples. Not the oil for this motor though I understand that. Interesting little engine we have here. I wonder if in the long run the internal engine parts are going to be the last thing on our minds when all the emissions crap are nickle and diming us to death in order to keep these Jeeps on the road? Hope not!
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The Mobil 1 ESP is very hard to find.
Yes. I found it to be be in stock and competitively priced at my NAPA Auto Parts store. I have only been running it for a few weeks now, but seems good so far. It comes in liters rather than quarts, so filling the engine to spec is a bit harder (8 quarts is 7.6 liters).

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The only thing that's getting my attention is the wear factor of the Pennzoil Ultra Euro L.
Not that I'm a fan of Pennzoil, but I expect the same outcome from any low-ash oil that meets the MS-11106 spec. That is to say, I'm not anticipating getting any better results out of the Mobil 1 ESP.

Now, if I wanted to void the warranty by switching to high ash (i.e. high lubricating agent) oil that would be a different story.
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Re: oil sample + 10,000 miles

Is this Pennzoil Ultra Euro L and Mobil 1 ESP a completely new oil on the market, or just existing synthetic base stocks with the correct additive package to meet our engine spec?
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You know, that's a good question. I have just always assumed that these MS-11106 low-ash products are simply their standard synthetic oil products except without the addition of all those nice engine-preserving lubricating agents.

Maybe there is something special about it (besides what it lacks in additives, and the niche product price premium), but it would have to be completely organic.
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Re: oil sample + 10,000 miles

I can't believe without all the additives, these oils can last 10K miles between changes. I will be going no more than 7,500 between due to extreme weather changes here and just to be safe.
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Re: oil sample + 10,000 miles

The manual says no more than 6 months or 6,000 miles between oil changes for the SRT. Just food for thought
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The manual says no more than 6 months or 6,000 miles between oil changes for the SRT. Just food for thought
Same engine and only 6,000? What does your on-board computer say for a % of oil life remaining at 6,000 miles? Do you have a 3.0L Ecodiesel?
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