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I noticed a couple of oil drops on the driveway today and crawled under to investigate. The entire pan is covered with grime on both sides, and it is dripping off the drain plug. As with what Roadkill originally said, it appears to be leaking from the front of the engine somewhere, above the oil pan gasket. I can see a bit of oil on the front of the engine behind the pulleys, and also on the driver's side below the oil cooler. Betting it's the timing case.
Yeah, just lead in with that suggestion when you get there. My dealer couldn't confirm it on the first trip so they added UV dye and had me come back a week later after driving it around.

The problem is that the oil leak hits the belt and gets sprayed around. However, if you look at the image in the OP I'm betting your engine will be clean on all areas above those two diagonal seams. Wiping a paper towel on various surfaces to check for oil or grime will elucidate.

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You guys that have already had the timing case gasket replaced..... any further issues?
Well, it hasn't even been a month yet. The original leak took 18 months to develop. But so far, so good.

Be sure they apply the RRTs for the P20EE stuff while you're there (latest release was on 27 May). Also, there's a TCM flash TSB they can apply but might not be automatic unless you request it.

Good luck. Don't let them give you any bullshit about "Chrysler only comps for five days of rentals" if their repair for this takes longer than five days.

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Re: Possible causes for oil leak down front of engine?

Thanks for the info. Hopefully they can get it whipped out in less than 5 days. Would suck to have it stuck in their shop for more than that. Of course, when I get it back the first thing I'll do is change the oil and filter to clean out all of the dust and debris and crap that the 20 year old "diesel tech" allows into my precious and expensive engine (I work in the diesel engine business and see some horrific stuff in dealer shops). This makes me cringe to think about.


Luckily my dealer has been pretty good to me (knock on wood) regarding rentals and such. I always go to the same service advisor at the dealer. And I always give him 10s on my survey answers. Perfect scores weather deserved or not. Due to that, he takes pretty good care of me it seems.


Already had the NOX catalyst (SCR) replaced. But will ask them to do all of the recent updates. They usually do those for me proactively anyhow


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Thanks for the info. Hopefully they can get it whipped out in less than 5 days.
Definitely. Also, welcome to the club. P20EE/SCR cat club is old and busted; all the cool kids are getting timing covers replaced now.
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Re: Possible causes for oil leak down front of engine?

We had a similar issue, but feel like it was directly related to the dealer putting in 10 qts of oil instead of the required 8 qts of oil. When I took it in to rectify their screw up, they insisted that the leaking oil was the result of three bolts in the front timing cover that also go into oil galleys that did not have sealant on them from the factory. When I pressed him on it, he insisted that they have had to do the same to at least a couple of other EcoDiesels. I took this all as a bit of CYA, but since they drained out two quarts of oil and placed sealant on the three bolts in the timing cover, the drips on the garage floor have stopped.

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Re: Possible causes for oil leak down front of engine?

Add me to the leaking oil list!! First noticed the leak around 11,000 miles with oil on the garage floor. When I took the Jeep in to fix the P20EE code (2nd time) I mentioned the oil leak. Service said they cleaned the engine with brake cleaner and could not find a leak, they blamed it on the oil change tech doing a sloppy job on oil change at 10,000 miles.

I called BS, when I got home with it, couple days later, and looked at the bottom of engine, oil was everywhere. I degreased it all and hosed it down, it started to collect at bottom of engine within a few days.

I need to check the oil change receipt on the correct oil amount used. When I take the Jeep to the dealer for the final fix of the P20EE, they WILL fix this oil leak!
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Re: Possible causes for oil leak down front of engine?

Barefoot, can you tell where it is leaking? I degreased mine and hosed off. Then started observing where it was coming from. Definitely appears to be coming from the timing case area, on left (driver's) side of engine.
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Re: Possible causes for oil leak down front of engine?

Wiley75, looks like it's seeping from the driver side timing cover and running down the front of engine. I took a couple of pics where it seems to be coming from.
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Re: Possible causes for oil leak down front of engine?

Hi All!

Had the same issue with my 2014 GC Eco Diesel. Lots of spots on the driveway. Now dealer said after 4 th trip that leak was from the Oil Cooler and replaced it. Only time will tell, but at least I have a brand new oil cooler! ;o)
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Re: Possible causes for oil leak down front of engine?

Add me to the list for the timing cover oil leak. Chrysler is going to lose money on me for all these repairs. Once the warranty is up Zeigler gets to foot the bill.
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The service manager called me earlier this week and told me they fixed the P20ee code (about time) and they diagnosed the oil is leaking from the timing cover. However, they don't have a level 3 diesel service tech at the dealer so they have to take it to another dealer to complete the 17 hour job.

Service called yesterday and said the level 3 tech had to come up and barrow a tool from them and also looked at the jeep while he was there. The tech stated there is a service bulletin on the leak and there are two bolts that need to be torqued to the right spec. No more leaks so far!

We get jeep back hopefully today and I'll get the service bulletin and post here.
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Re: Possible causes for oil leak down front of engine?

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The service manager called me earlier this week and told me they fixed the P20ee code (about time) and they diagnosed the oil is leaking from the timing cover. However, they don't have a level 3 diesel service tech at the dealer so they have to take it to another dealer to complete the 17 hour job.

Service called yesterday and said the level 3 tech had to come up and barrow a tool from them and also looked at the jeep while he was there. The tech stated there is a service bulletin on the leak and there are two bolts that need to be torqued to the right spec. No more leaks so far!

We get jeep back hopefully today and I'll get the service bulletin and post here.
Interesting. So they never did remove the timing case and reseal? They just torqued a couple of bolts? Hmm


I have an appointment on the 22nd for mine at the dealer. Would be awesome if they didn't have to pollute my engine by taking the timing case off.
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Of course, when I get it back the first thing I'll do is change the oil and filter to clean out all of the dust and debris and crap that the 20 year old "diesel tech" allows into my precious and expensive engine (I work in the diesel engine business and see some horrific stuff in dealer shops). This makes me cringe to think about.
Thanks. If it weren't for your prompt, I wouldn't have changed my oil & filter after the repair.
For those of you who still believe dealer oil changes are superior to DIY...

I'm annoyed because the service writer told me they were going to reuse my oil. Obviously not. Also, I think they overtorqued my filter housing. Lovely.
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