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Is that you guys make it seem normal for me to spend $50k for a vehicle.

Economy of the diesel seems to maybe break even with my current crossover because of the higher cost of the fuel not even counting the upgrade cost for the diesel option itself. However, my current strategy to trade in before the 100k warranty runs out may change because of the diesel to keep it for 300 k or so. I have to drive on the road weekly for maybe 40k a year. Reliability and all weather capability is of utmost importance to me. I get 250-300 miles out of a tank now so the increased range would be very nice. And hopefully peace of mind in longevity.

Because I drive so much I want a comfortable road experience. Ventilated seats, heated steering wheel and adaptive cruise would be nice upgrades. So I am starting to consider a diesel Overland.

Maybe I'm hoping to justify by preaching to the choir. Any opinions on the suitability of an Overland to be a high mileage road warrior?

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Old 02-21-2015, 01:10 PM
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Is that you guys make it seem normal for me to spend $50k for a vehicle.

Economy of the diesel seems to maybe break even with my current crossover because of the higher cost of the fuel not even counting the upgrade cost for the diesel option itself. However, my current strategy to trade in before the 100k warranty runs out may change because of the diesel to keep it for 300 k or so. I have to drive on the road weekly for maybe 40k a year. Reliability and all weather capability is of utmost importance to me. I get 250-300 miles out of a tank now so the increased range would be very nice. And hopefully peace of mind in longevity.

Because I drive so much I want a comfortable road experience. Ventilated seats, heated steering wheel and adaptive cruise would be nice upgrades. So I am starting to consider a diesel Overland.

Maybe I'm hoping to justify by preaching to the choir. Any opinions on the suitability of an Overland to be a high mileage road warrior?
The diesel will probably last longger as an engine when you get into the super high milage like the 300k you are talking about. But something to think about also if you are talking about high mileage like that is getting the maxcare lifetime service contract it will likely more than pay for itself for as long as you plan to keep it. You cant get the lifetime maxcare on the diesel you can only get it on the gas v6 and v8 so may be worth considering those also. At a little over 2k it is a good choice when you plan to keep your jeep a long time.
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Great advice but I think it is the diesel that makes this idea work. Otherwise I can stick to a small crossover and get the mileage I want. The diesels in my boat will probably outlive me. I've had V8 GC's with 250,000 miles on them. The diesel ought to be durable and reliable enough to do so too, right?
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Great advice but I think it is the diesel that makes this idea work. Otherwise I can stick to a small crossover and get the mileage I want. The diesels in my boat will probably outlive me. I've had V8 GC's with 250,000 miles on them. The diesel ought to be durable and reliable enough to do so too, right?
I think any of the engines can last 200-300k if they are well taken care of but getting into extreme high mileage the diesel probably has the best chances of getting into those higher numbers. the amount you may save on fuel with the diesel is going to be very dependent on your area vs the v8 some areas diesel and gas have a big price difference others not so much so you have to run the number for your particular area to see what you may save on fuel. I plan on keeping my jeep 10+ years and really what concerns me on reliability cost is not the drivetrain its the multitude of all the other components that could start failing especially on the higher trim levels. there was a guy on here yesterday that had the compressor fail on his quadra lift and they wanted $2350 for a compressor install another guy had the front center sensor go bad it was physical damage but still they wanted $1850 for it and those are jeeps that were not that old I think 3 or 4 years if I remember right. once these jeeps start getting some real years and mileage on them I think the replace cost of a lot of these high priced gadgets could really start to add up. Anyway just something else to consider in addition to engine and mileage when you are considering super high mileage on the jeep.
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I would also agree that today most vehicles (not just Jeeps) have engines that can, with proper care, outlast many other expensive parts. I've ridden in a number of older cars that had perfectly good engines, but the heat and/or AC didn't work properly, they rattled and vibrated going down the road, transmissions were obviously sloppy and worn out even from the passenger seat, body panels were rusting through because I live in the salt belt, parts of the interior were wearing out, etc. The engine is certainly important, but it's not the only thing that can wear out with age, and the Grand Cherokee has become more and more a luxury vehicle with lots of bells and whistles so you should look in to the repair cost of those things just so you aren't totally caught off guard if they fail.
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Idk. I doubt these newer diesel with dpf EgRs and def systems will last like the pre 07 diesels. Yes u get the torque and the fuel range but those smog systems recycle a lot of soot back into the system.

I've opened up a brand new cummins 2014 to do deletes and upgrades in the intake and exhaust system and holy crap, less then 50 miles ( dealer to shop) the turbo, intercooler , air horn , intake valves etc are caked with a good amount of soot. I'm talkn about u can't even scrape it off! Sad
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I've opened up a brand new cummins 2014 to do deletes and upgrades in the intake and exhaust system and holy crap, less then 50 miles ( dealer to shop) the turbo, intercooler , air horn , intake valves etc are caked with a good amount of soot.
That's a good point. I have been wondering how expensive it would be to have the intake & turbo cleaned once my warranty expires and I do the DPF/SCR/EGR/PCV delete.
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Hi all!
Currrent owner of the diesel. Didn't buy it for the mileage, bought it for towing. Mileage is at best a break even vs current gas prices. DEF adds add'l costs.Don't buy a diesel unless your going to use it for its intended purpose. Their not for everyone! Any well designed car/truck gas engine will last well over 100K w/ some TLC. If your a long distance type driver,a diesel can certainly can work for you. Extended Warranties are a gray area, usually more of an emotional decision rather than an practical approach to what should be GOOD engineering design from the manufacturers. Take care of your vehicle & take a chance!
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Currrent owner of the diesel. Didn't buy it for the mileage, bought it for towing. Mileage is at best a break even vs current gas prices. DEF adds add'l costs.Don't buy a diesel unless your going to use it for its intended purpose. Their not for everyone! Any well designed car/truck gas engine will last well over 100K w/ some TLC. If your a long distance type driver,a diesel can certainly can work for you. Extended Warranties are a gray area, usually more of an emotional decision rather than an practical approach to what should be GOOD engineering design from the manufacturers. Take care of your vehicle & take a chance!
that's what I used to say "take care and take a chance" and I never owned an extended service contract on a car until I bought this vehicle as I didn't believe in them. powertrain used to be the big cost concern and the rest were smaller annoyances that you sucked but things have changed the complexity and number of high tech high cost systems and gadgets that can fail regardless of how well you may take care of your vehicle has ballooned. single failure events of some of them can cost more than the entire lifetime maxcare contract. if you keep cars just a couple years yes not worth it but if you are one that keeps a car long term the maxcare service contract is a bargain. I have no doubt that thing will pay for it self probably a few times over in the 10+ years I intend to keep it.

The real question to ask is how long you intend to keep your jeep that should be one of the main drivers on if it is right for you or not.
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I tend to keep my cars a long time and that is my plan for this rig, barely one year old. I kept my last car, a 2001 Honda CR-V, for 14 years and 222,000 miles after buying it brand new. The engine didn't have any major work done, just regular maintenance. The original clutch lasted 209,000 miles - and that's while living and driving in hilly San Francisco for a time. I drove carefully, but also didn't baby it, I did a lot of towing (found a Class-III hitch for it!) and I also went wheeling (off-roading) a fair amount. I wish it had a transfer case. At times I beat the shit out of it, but in a loving way. I've towed two other cars with that CR-V, being careful on the clutch, of course. Have towed a lot of other gear, motorcycles, etc.

Pictures of it here from when I sold it: http://goo.gl/tJbiix

Anyway didn't mean to go on and on about my CR-V but I did love that car. My JGC CRD is a significant upgrade - downright luxurious! - and I plan to drive it a very long time. Yes, wheeling too. Mine isn't a pavement queen, I'm learning the rig's limits, and it is very capable off road. At 13,000 miles so far I am still "bonding" with my rig.

Almost $50K to but this rig. Yes it's a lot but when I can tackle off road obstacles, easily tow my old CR-V using U-Haul's car trailer (the trailer itself is 2,000 lbs), go wheeling, and get great mileage:

25 MPG @ 85 MPH
28 MPG @ 75 MPH
34 MPG @ 65 MPH
45 MPG @ 55 MPH

This rig is perfect for me and I want to get 300K miles on it.

With this rig I plan to drive to:

> Deadhorse, AK: https://goo.gl/maps/PWGgw

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> PanamáCity, Panama (not Florida): https://goo.gl/maps/uK0eG
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Idk. I doubt these newer diesel with dpf EgRs and def systems will last like the pre 07 diesels. Yes u get the torque and the fuel range but those smog systems recycle a lot of soot back into the system.

I've opened up a brand new cummins 2014 to do deletes and upgrades in the intake and exhaust system and holy crap, less then 50 miles ( dealer to shop) the turbo, intercooler , air horn , intake valves etc are caked with a good amount of soot. I'm talkn about u can't even scrape it off! Sad
My thoughts exactly. I think in theory the diesel engine should out last a gas engine by a pretty large margin. However the emissions system is the wildcard and might actually shorten engine life, or add extremely costly repairs. I was stoked on buying diesel, but I'm having second thoughts, which is why I joined this site.

Hopefully within the next few months there are tunes, or fixes that won't trip a CEL and can be reversed if a warranty repair is needed. I doubt the emissions gremlins can be fixed at the factory level, I hope I'm wrong, but......If not I'll end up buying an gasser.
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I'm sure it will at least last 10 years. Which by then I'm sure I will get the newest refined version of what we have.

I have about 30k miles on her now and really only had a CEL once or twice and that was becuz I ran her down empty on the def and also when we refilled it to full I think the computer was tripn on the crystal build up inside. But after a day it was gone.

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Actually I've had an alignment issue. Pulls to the right. They kinda fixed it but still does it.
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