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Re: Rotella T-6 in our diesel?

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I'm not in any hurry to switch to Rotella T6 until I see a clear TSB or factory directive that is official for the 2014 model year. While Pennzoil is more expensive, it is small change really in the overall cost per mile of this vehicle and I don't believe it is actually hurting anything.... If we can switch, hey that's great, ( I'm well aware of Rotella T6, used in my RAM Cummins for many years...) but I believe the original MS-11106 oil requirement is fully effective till I get something in writing.....
I think if you read the 8th edition of the 2014 Diesel Supplement, it is pretty clear (link below, page 77). You can compare the 7th edition text (link below, page 76) and I am sure you'll agree, this is clearly a change. The entire paragraph has been changed, including FCA material standard, ACEA standards and recommended brands. Chrysler is probably just too cheap to risk putting out a TSB for the 2014/15's and have to pay for all those oil changes.

7th: http://www.jeep.com/download/pdf/man...sel-SU-7th.pdf
8th: http://www.jeep.com/download/pdf/man...sel-SU-8th.pdf

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Re: Rotella T-6 in our diesel?

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fyi, there's a $5 per gallon rebate from Shell through the end of this year, max of 4 rebates ($20):

www.rotella.com/rebate
I think the limit is greater than 4, as I received a rebate on all 5 I purchased.

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Chrysler is probably just too cheap to risk putting out a TSB for the 2014/15's and have to pay for all those oil changes.
I agree that seems likely. My speculation is that also that they don't want to tacitly admit the MS-11106 spec contributes to engine failure beyond the standard warranty period, due to providing inferior engine protection in order to benefit the DPF emissions system. Quietly publishing a change for older model vehicles rather than releasing an RRT in the hopes they can sweep it under the rug, as it were.

It's not really that far-fetched, given how the SCR catalyst issue and vulnerable DEF injector issue unfolded over time for the 2014's. For the latter case, the 2014 models got a "fix" that was some zip ties for the DEF harness, whereas later model years got a dedicated protection skid for the injector. For the former case, my guess is that the "emissions recall" happened when FCA figured out how much the diesel emissions witchhunt was going to cost VW and they didn't want to be the EPA's next victim. I'd suggest that this engine oil spec change is more akin to the vulnerable DEF injector issue, and thus can be expected to be managed as cheaply and quietly as possible.

Also, take into consideration that FCA was still installing takata airbag inflators in new production vehicles as recently as June 2016 (they don't disclose which models), *knowing* they will have to recall them by 2018.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/auto...-study-n583846

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Re: Rotella T-6 in our diesel?

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I agree that seems likely. My speculation is that also that they don't want to tacitly admit the MS-11106 spec contributes to engine failure beyond the standard warranty period, due to providing inferior engine protection in order to benefit the DPF emissions system. Quietly publishing a change for older model vehicles rather than releasing an RRT in the hopes they can sweep it under the rug, as it were.

It's not really that far-fetched, given how the SCR catalyst issue and vulnerable DEF injector issue unfolded over time for the 2014's. For the latter case, the 2014 models got a "fix" that was some zip ties for the DEF harness, whereas later model years got a dedicated protection skid for the injector. For the former case, my guess is that the "emissions recall" happened when FCA figured out how much the diesel emissions witchhunt was going to cost VW and they didn't want to be the EPA's next victim. I'd suggest that this engine oil spec change is more akin to the vulnerable DEF injector issue, and thus can be expected to be managed as cheaply and quietly as possible.

Also, take into consideration that FCA was still installing takata airbag inflators in new production vehicles as recently as June 2016 (they don't disclose which models), *knowing* they will have to recall them by 2018.

Automakers Still Installing Defective Takata Airbags in Cars: Report - NBC News

Fiat Chrysler to stop using defective Takata air bags next week
All of this is exactly why I changed over to Rotella even though I had less than 1,000 miles on my 2015. A little spent now to potentially save a lot later.

On my 2105 Ram 1500 3.0 I was shocked by how much soot was in the oil at my 10,000 mile oil and filter change. I did another full swap with the Euro 5w30 at about 15,000 miles. With 16,600 miles on the Ram I went GDE and swapped for Rotella. Hopefully with turning off the EGR and swapping to better oil, the original 15,000 miles won't have too much impact on longevity of these 3.0 Ecodiesel engines.
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Re: Rotella T-6 in our diesel?

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On my 2105 Ram 1500 3.0 I was shocked by how much soot was in the oil at my 10,000 mile oil and filter change.
Was that based on how black the oil looked or did you do a UOA? One tenth of one percent soot will make the oil look like black ink. My old mechanical indirect injection Mercedes 300D turns new T6 jet black almost immediately. Its Blackstone report shows insolubles are within safe limits even after its 8,000 mile OCI.
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Was that based on how black the oil looked or did you do a UOA? One tenth of one percent soot will make the oil look like black ink. My old mechanical indirect injection Mercedes 300D turns new T6 jet black almost immediately. Its Blackstone report shows insolubles are within safe limits even after its 8,000 mile OCI.
Just on how black it looked, nothing scientific.
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Re: Rotella T-6 in our diesel?

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I think if you read the 8th edition of the 2014 Diesel Supplement, it is pretty clear (link below, page 77). You can compare the 7th edition text (link below, page 76) and I am sure you'll agree, this is clearly a change. The entire paragraph has been changed, including FCA material standard, ACEA standards and recommended brands. Chrysler is probably just too cheap to risk putting out a TSB for the 2014/15's and have to pay for all those oil changes.

7th: http://www.jeep.com/download/pdf/man...sel-SU-7th.pdf
8th: http://www.jeep.com/download/pdf/man...sel-SU-8th.pdf
Well I certainly agree that is pretty official ! I will use up my last Pennzoil on the next change then on to Rotella afterwards. Certainly cheaper and T6 is a well known quality product.... I'd pretty much bet my dealer doesn't know this yet... that should drop the change price at the dealer to appx 60-70.00 I would think...( but I doubt it !)
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Re: Rotella T-6 in our diesel?

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Well I certainly agree that is pretty official ! I will use up my last Pennzoil on the next change then on to Rotella afterwards. Certainly cheaper and T6 is a well known quality product.... I'd pretty much bet my dealer doesn't know this yet... that should drop the change price at the dealer to appx 60-70.00 I would think...( but I doubt it !)

Rotella T6 can be had for as little as $19.99/gallon +$5 rebate per gallon. Couple that to a $11 Mahle filter and the oil change could be just $41(plus labor?)
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On my 2105 Ram 1500 3.0 I was shocked by how much soot was in the oil at my 10,000 mile oil and filter change. I did another full swap with the Euro 5w30 at about 15,000 miles. With 16,600 miles on the Ram I went GDE and swapped for Rotella. Hopefully with turning off the EGR and swapping to better oil, the original 15,000 miles won't have too much impact on longevity of these 3.0 Ecodiesel engines.
GDE says what cleans the oil better than turning off the EGR is the change in the injector timing.

Whatever they do, it flat works. Checked my oil at 3k and 8k, oil looked new both times, like a gasser. Nothing like the black ink that comes out of my wife's untuned ED.
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GDE says what cleans the oil better than turning off the EGR is the change in the injector timing.

Whatever they do, it flat works. Checked my oil at 3k and 8k, oil looked new both times, like a gasser. Nothing like the black ink that comes out of my wife's untuned ED.
I totally agree with the above post. It's unbelievable that they can do what they do and make the ED run like it should and also clean and safe. If FCA was smart, they would buy the tune from GDE and install it at the factory on every 3.0L coming off the line. Wouldn't go back to stock period.
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I totally agree with the above post. It's unbelievable that they can do what they do and make the ED run like it should and also clean and safe. If FCA was smart, they would buy the tune from GDE and install it at the factory on every 3.0L coming off the line. Wouldn't go back to stock period.

If it wasn't for that federally mandated EGR....
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Re: Rotella T-6 in our diesel?

Anyone hear back for the a dealership on the 14's and 15's using 5w40? Just wondering why the flash is required with the 16's? Hope we can just dump the 5w30 and start using 5w40 with no flash. Have GDE Hot Tune installed.
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