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There's no need for a car to be in any other position than P when the engine is off.
I agree, but I would hesitate making these kinds of assertions within earshot of FCA engineers. I mean, those engineers created a failure mode where our console armrest can destroy our transmission.

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Old 04-28-2016, 01:09 PM
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I mean, those engineers created a failure mode where our console armrest can destroy our transmission.
I haven't heard of this issue. Are you talking about JGC or something else?
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I haven't heard of this issue. Are you talking about JGC or something else?
The warning about this scenario is in the WK2 owner's manual. The emergency park release is under the console armrest; if it's engaged and the armrest is closed then transmission damage can occur. The release is a precarious thing.

The owner's manual is an interesting read...
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Re: Shifter Recall

I'm going to drag my heels on this recall for sure. I don't want more bells and whistles, or tranny flashes. I'm fine with how my Jeep performs.
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Re: Shifter Recall

I actually really like the selector lever..... It baffles me that FCA are issuing a recall to fix something that actually works fine, it's really not that hard to select 'P'!


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Re: Shifter Recall

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I actually really like the selector lever..... It baffles me that FCA are issuing a recall to fix something that actually works fine, it's really not that hard to select 'P'!


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I disagree that it works "fine." Though I like the shifter and have no intentions of getting the recall completed, I have also had several negative instances with the shifter. Multiple times upon first start-up for the day, I would press the button and bring the shifter back to drive and the vehicle would not actually shift out of park. I have also experienced the vehicle once where I moved the shifter from drive to park and it somehow decided neutral was the place it wanted to be. I know I moved the shifter fully forward prior to releasing. If anything, I would have expected reverse over neutral. Regardless of my experiences, though, I feel that FCA had no other choice than to issue a recall to show the NHTSA and consumers that they are attempting to fix the issue. I do not see this issue as stupid operators, but rather a device that does not function as designed in all situations.
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I moved the shifter from drive to park and it somehow decided neutral was the place it wanted to be. I know I moved the shifter fully forward prior to releasing.
Yes, this "Surprise! You're in Neutral!" scenario happens probably 0.5% of the time on my shifter. It may be that this is a particular subset of the "Shifter Fights Back" scenario where it refuses to shift into park no matter how long you hold the shifter forward; that's more like 2% of the time.

Regardless, the workaround is:
1) Brake to a stop
2) Apply parking brake
3) Attempt to shift into park (success of attempt depends on whether the shifter cooperates this time)

That way, not only is the parking brake reducing tension on the transmission parking pawl under normal circumstances, but also when the shifter decides not to comply with your clearly communicated intention to shift into park the vehicle still won't roll.

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I do not see this issue as stupid operators, but rather a device that does not function as designed in all situations.
Precisely. I wonder how many people who are blaming "stupid operators" would feel comfortable letting a family member who was unfamiliar with the vagaries of this shifter drive their Jeep without specific instruction about how to avoid these scenarios. The overwhelming preponderance of vehicles on the road would require no such special instructions regarding the shifter. This shifter has a flawed design--these failure modes crop up even for experienced owners.
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Re: Shifter Recall

In addition to the lack to tactile indication of gear selected, there is another problem with the selector. People say "it's easy to see what gear you're in - it's lit up on the top of the selector". Well, in bright sunlight that visual indication is very difficult to discern. I live in the four corners area where it's bright most of the time, and it's difficult to see the indicator with a quick glance. When you're backing a trailer, backing in switchbacks, trying to do a three point turn with oncoming traffic, etc., your life tends to flash in front of your eyes more easily than the shifter light.
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In addition to the lack to tactile indication of gear selected, there is another problem with the selector. People say "it's easy to see what gear you're in - it's lit up on the top of the selector". Well, in bright sunlight that visual indication is very difficult to discern. I live in the four corners area where it's bright most of the time, and it's difficult to see the indicator with a quick glance. When you're backing a trailer, backing in switchbacks, trying to do a three point turn with oncoming traffic, etc., your life tends to flash in front of your eyes more easily than the shifter light.
Agreed this is a problem. I've started looking at the in-dash indicator since it is easier to see. It's a bit awkward, but I'm getting used to it.
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Re: Shifter Recall

I've had a 14 and now own a 15. While the gear selector takes a little getting used to, it operates fine and is very intuitive. I've rarely had a problem and certainly not more than any other shifter. Regardless of system, I always make sure the vehicle is in park before exiting...or in gear if manual, etc. Not sure what the big stink is. If people can't handle this perhaps they should stop driving until self driving cars are ubiquitous.
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Re: Shifter Recall

As was stated it isn't just putting it into gear , it sometimes 'jumps' out of the gear you put it into and if you aren't 100% aware of what is going on around you it can be very easy to think you have it it P or D and it is the wrong gear. I have had this happen to me 3 times where I put it into P and it 'jumped' back into R but as I am always aware it was not a big deal as I had my foot on the brake still and put it into P right away. I have told this to the gf and she has had it happen a couple times also , but because of forewarning it didn't become an issue where property or people got hurt. i would NOT want anyone unfamiliar with how this shifter works driving it until they fully understood that it has tendency to not go where you put it the odd time.
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As was stated it isn't just putting it into gear , it sometimes 'jumps' out of the gear you put it into and if you aren't 100% aware of what is going on around you it can be very easy to think you have it it P or D and it is the wrong gear. I have had this happen to me 3 times where I put it into P and it 'jumped' back into R but as I am always aware it was not a big deal as I had my foot on the brake still and put it into P right away. I have told this to the gf and she has had it happen a couple times also , but because of forewarning it didn't become an issue where property or people got hurt. i would NOT want anyone unfamiliar with how this shifter works driving it until they fully understood that it has tendency to not go where you put it the odd time.
Dude if your shifter jumps out after you have it in Park then that is a clear repair problem. If that ever happened to me, straight to the dealer I would go.
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