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How much was the warranty?
An 8 year/120k mile Maximum Care policy (the most available for a diesel) is around $2k when it's competitively priced. You generally don't want to buy it from your local dealer because it's a juicy profit item. Or perhaps your dealer might be like my dealer who said the Chrysler Max Care policy was shit and I should buy their third party scam insurance product they were pushing instead (haha, what gall!)

You have about a year after buying a new Jeep to get around to buying the Max Care policy without any price premium penalty attached, and *any* Chrysler dealer can hook you up. If you search the forum here you'll find that Zeller Motors and Ziegler are two dealerships that people have been using to buy their Max Care plans. I bought my policy 11 months after I got the Jeep and it was the same price as it would have been had I bought it when I bought the Jeep.

The policy gets tied to your Jeep's VIN so as soon as you pull into any Jeep dealer service bay anywhere in the US they will know the details of your coverage (i.e. no need to worry about carrying a policy card or anything). The plan also ensures you'll get a rental car while the Jeep is in the shop, and it also covers towing the thing to the dealer.

Also, unlike third party extended warranties if you search about these Chrysler plans you'll find a distinct lack of complaints about it. Anyway, I'm a fan. Not sure I would have risked buying a 2014 EcoDiesel if Max Care weren't available.

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Mine is a 19 Dec 13 build.
Hey, cool. Mine was a 4 Dec 2013 build. I have had zero SCR/DEF problems, but it was in the shop for about a week this month due to a timing chain cover gasket leak. Quite an involved repair.

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I get 28-29 mpg all day long and love the power train and all the features which I use all the time...
Same, except I get 17 mpg in the summer and 14 mpg in the winter.
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Re: Should I even bother with 2014 Diesel GC?

Funny story, I finally got the def issues at 13k, but the dealer is cool.
I had to get a mopar vehicle from enterprise rental, so I got a ram pickup right
when I had to carry my son's jet ski. Interior of my GC not screwed up, and jet ski to it's destination
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Re: Should I even bother with 2014 Diesel GC?

After 14 days in the shop I got rid the thing. 29,000 miles. 23 total days in shop, just under 200 miles in limp mode. I couldn't take it any more. 2015 Black Pearl Overland 5.7 is now in my possession.


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Re: Should I even bother with 2014 Diesel GC?

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An 8 year/120k mile Maximum Care policy (the most available for a diesel) is around $2k when it's competitively priced. You generally don't want to buy it from your local dealer because it's a juicy profit item. Or perhaps your dealer might be like my dealer who said the Chrysler Max Care policy was shit and I should buy their third party scam insurance product they were pushing instead (haha, what gall!)

You have about a year after buying a new Jeep to get around to buying the Max Care policy without any price premium penalty attached, and *any* Chrysler dealer can hook you up. If you search the forum here you'll find that Zeller Motors and Ziegler are two dealerships that people have been using to buy their Max Care plans. I bought my policy 11 months after I got the Jeep and it was the same price as it would have been had I bought it when I bought the Jeep.

The policy gets tied to your Jeep's VIN so as soon as you pull into any Jeep dealer service bay anywhere in the US they will know the details of your coverage (i.e. no need to worry about carrying a policy card or anything). The plan also ensures you'll get a rental car while the Jeep is in the shop, and it also covers towing the thing to the dealer.

Also, unlike third party extended warranties if you search about these Chrysler plans you'll find a distinct lack of complaints about it. Anyway, I'm a fan. Not sure I would have risked buying a 2014 EcoDiesel if Max Care weren't available.
The extended warranty also covers you in Canada, and speaking from experience, their dealers will see it if you have to bring it in while travelling.
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Re: Should I even bother with 2014 Diesel GC?

These horror stories are very over blown, really just an inconvenience that they won't replace the catalyst first time around knowing how common the issue is.

When I worked at Audi and B5 RS4 avant came out. Had bent wheels, warped brake rotors and bent control arms. I think the fix for the wheels/control arms was to install softer rate springs. That's a horror story. But damn that car was BA.

I'd buy a 2014 GC diesel again if I was driving 25k miles a year.


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Re: Should I even bother with 2014 Diesel GC?

I debated a long time between the hemi and the diesel. Purchased a diesel in 3/15. First diesel I've owned. I'm very impressed to date with only 3500 miles. Mileage is awesome. No issues yet and hope that I only have to deal with basic maintenance. It's my 6th Jeep. Not necessarily brand loyal but like what they can do off road. I probably just doomed myself to a lifetime of service issues.
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These horror stories are very over blown, really just an inconvenience that they won't replace the catalyst first time around knowing how common the issue is.

When I worked at Audi and B5 RS4 avant came out. Had bent wheels, warped brake rotors and bent control arms. I think the fix for the wheels/control arms was to install softer rate springs. That's a horror story. But damn that car was BA.

I'd buy a 2014 GC diesel again if I was driving 25k miles a year.


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No, they're not all overblown. Due to all the emissions crap, they are finicky brats.


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No, they're not all overblown. Due to all the emissions crap, they are finicky brats
They absolutely are overblown. Why is it that everyone who has a problem thinks that EVERYONE else also has that problem? "Mr Convoy" you're doing it too. YOURS was a finicky brat. The overwhelming MAJORITY are not.

MY stats to counter yours:

Time in shop: 2 hours for 3 flash updates (only 1 diesel related)
Times in limp mode: ZERO
Times limp mode threatened: ZERO
Broken injectors: ZERO
Miles driven: 15,500 in winter, in summer, in rain, through puddles, on road and off road.

I guess since mine has never had a problem, they must ALL be near perfect, wonderful, never fail vehicles.

The truth is somewhere in between. There are some issues, of those issues the majority are MUCH less severe than yours was. Very few US spec vehicles are having particle filter issues like yours had resulting in limp mode. Read around a little. And After the first two or three initial P20EE incidents FCA figured that problem out and took care of that issue relatively quickly.

What other diesel issues have there been? That's it isn't it? What's the big deal?

You have your V8 gasser now, so go enjoy it! I'm sure it will be perfect.
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After the first two or three initial P20EE incidents FCA figured that problem out and took care of that issue relatively quickly.
I think it's also worth underscoring the fact that not only does this issue have a known, "simple" fix at this point, but also that everyone who has had that fix performed has had the issue resolved. The replacement SCR cat + firmware update fixes the issue permanently as far as we know. So, an owner can expect to experience a P20EE/SCR failure issue 0 times (most likely) or once, whereupon they will execute the fix. That's it.

Finally, it bears hammering home that those components are covered under warranty for 8 years/80k miles.
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I think it's also worth underscoring the fact that not only does this issue have a known, "simple" fix at this point, but also that everyone who has had that fix performed has had the issue resolved. The replacement SCR cat + firmware update fixes the issue permanently as far as we know. So, an owner can expect to experience a P20EE/SCR failure issue 0 times (most likely) or once, whereupon they will execute the fix. That's it.

Finally, it bears hammering home that those components are covered under warranty for 8 years/80k miles.
I have certainly been one of the lucky owners to have avoided the P20EE issue to date. Knowing that a resolution is in place and the fact I'm covered 8yrs/80K miles makes me feel very confident in this vehicle.

It sure seems to me that the signal-to-noise ratio on this issue has dropped over the past 6 months.

Now that I've had a chance to take this vehicle offroad and use it on some great high mountain trails, I have no reservations about recommending this vehicle to any potential owner. My only caveat is to make sure you have a dealer you can trust to perform repairs. I had a bad dealer experience, but I don't blame this on the vehicle, just poor research on my part.
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I have certainly been one of the lucky owners to have avoided the P20EE issue to date.
I honestly think we're in the majority and that owners who have had P20EE/SCR cat failures are the unfortunate minority, rather than us being lucky to avoid that issue.

C.f. the Highest mileage 2014 that has never had a P20EE/SCR cat issue? thread.
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