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Old 09-04-2016, 08:04 PM
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The Bleeding Edge

I purchased my JGC in the first wave of orders back in late 2013. And I have driven the crap out of my vehicle currently with 114,000 miles on it. I remain one of the biggest fans of the Jeep Turbo diesel.

Having said that my vehicle has been in the shop for the last 2 weeks and there could be considerably more to come. I had a P0428 code (catalytic converter sensor) come up a couple of weeks ago. Not being too concerned I decided to take it in when I had time. My truck had different ideas as it went into limp mode and a message came up that the DPF was 100% full.

My dealership probably hasn't sold a handful of the Turbodiesels and the mechanic hadn't dealt with anything like that. He first had to order and then change out the #1 exhaust sensor which is on top of the transmission so you have to unbolt and lower the transmission to get to it. He did that and put everything back together but the code would not clear.

Then he got Chrysler involved and ultimately had to replace all 4 exhaust sensors plus he pulled the DPF which was full of ash. He wound up taking an air hose to the DPF and blew a ton of ash out of it. Seems crazy that the EPA goes to such lengths NOT to let that stuff get into the atmosphere and the technicians blow the damn thing out.

So, $1,700 and 2 weeks later I get my vehicle back but the mechanic thinks I'll get another code and have to replace the DPF, $2,000-$3,000! That's why I titled this thread the bleeding edge. I haven't noticed, at least on this forum, too many others having the mileage I have on mine. Is this what all owners can expect when we get to the magic mileage? I guess so cause there's nowhere for the ash to go.

I've been educating myself on tunes, DPF deletes, etc. but I have a steep learning curve on those subjects. Don't think I'm going to just tune and straight pipe from the manifold but would appreciate some ideas.

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Re: The Bleeding Edge

I've seen some of your posts from time to time - your a forestry manager for 4 different states if memory serves. I'm not far behind you with just shy of 70,000 on mine, but mine was a June 2014 build, and one of the last of the model year. I added a GDE "hot" tune about 2 months back, hoping to extend the life out of the engine and the DPF/SCR exhaust system. Outside of the full delete tune, I don't know if theres a whole lot more one can do to better the long-term solution. Objectively, I'm shooting for 250K as a goal of driven miles.
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Re: The Bleeding Edge

My wife has a '14 with 57k, the SCR and all exhaust sensors were replaced under a RRT.

I would highly recommend the GDE tune (offroad option) and a delete exhaust. A lot cheaper than a DPF replacement and no more emissions issues. A lot more power and better mileage to boot.
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I have a 6yr/100K maxcare on mine and that's exactly how long I plan on keeping it. I always say this is my forever car and then something totally different/better comes out. If I get thru that period with no major problems/expenses...I got my moneys worth and move on. I bought the maxcare on line reasonably inexpensively and its good peace of mind as I go thru the time period. if I use it....Fine, If not...Fine. Buying it is no different than getting an option on the vehicle you rarely use......

But I can guarantee you, I'm not throwing thousands of dollars at it late in its life......
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Re: The Bleeding Edge

Thanks for the ideas.

I am simply hard headed enough that I intend on keeping this vehicle for a good while longer (maybe against financial logic.

I tend to agree with the logic of the off-road tune plus full DPF delete. My hesitation is due to a level of ignorance. It seems that once you go that direction, that's it. Also, are people taking this route doing most of this with their local mechanic, a specialized diesel shop or is this a Saturday garage fix in your own driveway?

But it's hard to argue with $1,300-$1,500 for tune and DPF delete compared with $2,000-$3,000 for a front catalytic converter / DPF replacement.
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I have a 6yr/100K maxcare on mine and that's exactly how long I plan on keeping it. I always say this is my forever car and then something totally different/better comes out. If I get thru that period with no major problems/expenses...I got my moneys worth and move on. I bought the maxcare on line reasonably inexpensively and its good peace of mind as I go thru the time period. if I use it....Fine, If not...Fine. Buying it is no different than getting an option on the vehicle you rarely use......

But I can guarantee you, I'm not throwing thousands of dollars at it late in its life......
Is it really 'late' in its life?

I have the 8yr/120k MaxCare and no plans on deleting, but won't hesitate if I have any serious issues down the road.
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Re: The Bleeding Edge

Also checking on just getting the DPF cleaned. There are quite a few places that do that but I haven't been able to get a price yet.

I'm assuming this is a once in 100k miles event so depending on the price that might be a reasonable alternative.
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Is it really 'late' in its life?

I have the 8yr/120k MaxCare and no plans on deleting, but won't hesitate if I have any serious issues down the road.
Well "late in its life" is different to each person, but the vast majority of vehicles in the US are traded or sold at or before the 6yr/100K mark.

I'm just saying by the time you are 6 yrs into a model, there are usually enough new features, safety or otherwise that make you say "Its Time" Imagine driving a car with no Phone connectivity or ABS etc... and everyone else is driving a self driving car. That is how fast I think car technology will progress in 6-8 year cycles. I want to keep up and don't want to throw thousands at old tech that won't have much resale at all......JMO only !
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Re: The Bleeding Edge

There was a video on YouTube by that Sean of MoparEcoDiesel that had 190K on his 2014 Ram with a plugged DPF, and he had a 100% success with dumping some aftermarket DPF cleaner in the tank. He admitted to way overdosing, but he was able to make his truck drivable again.

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Re: The Bleeding Edge

I called a company just north of New Orleans that cleans and repairs DPF units for trucking companies, told him what I had and asked what my cost would be for cleaning my DPF unit.


I believe our DPF units are included in the same converter as the Diesel Oxidation Catalyst so he said it costs $200 to clean the DOC and $400 to clean the DPF. They actually cut open the DPF to check it, then they "float" it and put it in an oven overnight. The welding back costs $150 so the cost of the cleaning is $750.


I put 113,000 miles on this DPF before it clogged up with ash so I'm thinking if $750 will keep me within emissions limits and buy me another 100k miles, that's probably the route I will go.
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Couldn't the dealer just do a stationary forced regen or is this beyond what that could fix?
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Couldn't the dealer just do a stationary forced regen or is this beyond what that could fix?
A regen burns off soot. Soot is carbon of one form or another. Ash in the DPF is a completely different concern, because ash is by definition incombustible.

All those nice additives in regular engine oil that help protect the engine are metallic compounds... "low ash" engine oil doesn't have these. "Low ash" engine oil (e.g. the MS-11106 Pennzoil) reduces the amount of incombustible metal ash in the DPF at the cost of inferior engine protection.

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