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Mind sharing what your hitch setup was?
I had an equalizer weight distribution hitch with torsion bars not chains. It worked great.

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I've towed probably 100,000 miles over the last 10-12 years, 3/4 ton Suburban, 2500 GMC pickup, BMW X5 4.8is, Yukon Denali and now my JGC diesel. I've tried several different WD setups and keep coming back to the Reese DualCam- weight distributing and sway control all in one. Hefty initial investment, but once set up the first time, it's pretty simple every other time you hitch up.

Remember- per the owner's manual, if the towed weight is more than 3,500 lbs, a weight distributing hitch is mandatory. And mandatory is the exact word used in the factory manual. Anyone towing dead weight in excess of 3500 is a) risking damage and b) possibly warranty issues. Plus if the factory says 3500 and a person pulling 6000 without a WD is in an accident that can be attributed to hitch failure your insurance will not cover you. A close friend found this out the hard way a few years back with State Farm.
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I've towed probably 100,000 miles over the last 10-12 years, 3/4 ton Suburban, 2500 GMC pickup, BMW X5 4.8is, Yukon Denali and now my JGC diesel. I've tried several different WD setups and keep coming back to the Reese DualCam- weight distributing and sway control all in one. Hefty initial investment, but once set up the first time, it's pretty simple every other time you hitch up.

Remember- per the owner's manual, if the towed weight is more than 3,500 lbs, a weight distributing hitch is mandatory. And mandatory is the exact word used in the factory manual. Anyone towing dead weight in excess of 3500 is a) risking damage and b) possibly warranty issues. Plus if the factory says 3500 and a person pulling 6000 without a WD is in an accident that can be attributed to hitch failure your insurance will not cover you. A close friend found this out the hard way a few years back with State Farm.
Thanks for the advice. My local RV shop has a used Dual Cam system for about half the price of a new equalizer setup. Any issues with going with a used hitch? Any first setup nuisances I should be aware of with the QL, etc since I have heard you really need to get this system right?
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Thanks for the advice. My local RV shop has a used Dual Cam system for about half the price of a new equalizer setup. Any issues with going with a used hitch? Any first setup nuisances I should be aware of with the QL, etc since I have heard you really need to get this system right?

If you can find a used one at half the price, and the spring bars are the right strength (example- 750# bars for a 500-600# tongue weight) then absolutely jump on it. That's a great deal.

Since virtually all my tow is highway, QL is in Aero mode all the time. Wish I could keep it in normal mode when towing but we can't. So since Aero and Entry are almost the same ride height, I set my bars up in Entry mode, has worked well for me. When I hook up the trailer, I make sure the key is out of the ignition and a door is open (will deactive self leveling) while I get all the bars connected and leveled. So the air bags are just fine tuning the load, letting the WD equipment do all the heavy lifting.

There are other WD systems out there as others have suggested. Many use a friction device to act as sway control. I personally like that this is all self contained. And very easy to hook up too, just a minute or two. At 60, I prefer simple and easy these days.
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If you can find a used one at half the price, and the spring bars are the right strength (example- 750# bars for a 500-600# tongue weight) then absolutely jump on it. That's a great deal.

Since virtually all my tow is highway, QL is in Aero mode all the time. Wish I could keep it in normal mode when towing but we can't. So since Aero and Entry are almost the same ride height, I set my bars up in Entry mode, has worked well for me. When I hook up the trailer, I make sure the key is out of the ignition and a door is open (will deactive self leveling) while I get all the bars connected and leveled. So the air bags are just fine tuning the load, letting the WD equipment do all the heavy lifting.

There are other WD systems out there as others have suggested. Many use a friction device to act as sway control. I personally like that this is all self contained. And very easy to hook up too, just a minute or two. At 60, I prefer simple and easy these days.
Thanks for the very detailed response. The Reese system they have is the 800lb system, which should be good for me since the unloaded tongue weight of our trailer is about 520lbs - sound about right?

Others have recommended setting up a WD hitch in normal mode, and not worrying about the slight Aero mode difference. Does the sensitivity of the dual cam system setup require a different thinking? If so, I thought that Aero mode only drops the nose end about 0.6" but park mode drops the front and back by 1.5", so wouldn't sport mode be more appropriate?
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Thanks for the very detailed response. The Reese system they have is the 800lb system, which should be good for me since the unloaded tongue weight of our trailer is about 520lbs - sound about right?

Others have recommended setting up a WD hitch in normal mode, and not worrying about the slight Aero mode difference. Does the sensitivity of the dual cam system setup require a different thinking? If so, I thought that Aero mode only drops the nose end about 0.6" but park mode drops the front and back by 1.5", so wouldn't sport mode be more appropriate?
I considered sport mode but that requires leaving the Jeep in gear while doing the setup I think. I found park mode is slighly lower than aero/sport mode but works fine. if you set it up in normal mode, when it drops on the highway it will increase tension on the spring bars because of the design of the dualcam. setting in lowered mode is much closer to highway mode, at least that's what I've discovered. My just be me, but it felt more evenly loaded after I reset to entry mode afte I'd first set up in the higher ride height.
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Re: Towing / Travel Trailer Advice Needed

Tow911,

The initial set-up for your WDH should be in Tire Change Mode.
You measure the wheel arch heights with it off, then set up your WDH checking for equal front/back distribution on your JGC and also the front/ back heights of your trailer (you can also use a carpenters level to check the TT). When you get the fore/after measurement on your Jeep as near equal distribution as dammit, you then fire up your QL.
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Tow911,

The initial set-up for your WDH should be in Tire Change Mode.
You measure the wheel arch heights with it off, then set up your WDH checking for equal front/back distribution on your JGC and also the front/ back heights of your trailer (you can also use a carpenters level to check the TT). When you get the fore/after measurement on your Jeep as near equal distribution as dammit, you then fire up your QL.
Would either having the jeep off but in normal mode or on but in tow haul do the same thing? Also, do you do any accounting for the aero mode?
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No, definitely not.

The important thing is to get the WDH distribution set up WITHOUT the QL system being involved. This is why you need to do it in Tire Change mode.

We tow extensively and, once you set it up and put the system back to normal, it does all the magic for you !

We use an Andersen WDH and, after the initial set up, our Jeep and Trailer are almost perfectly parallel to the ground.
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No, definitely not.

The important thing is to get the WDH distribution set up WITHOUT the QL system being involved. This is why you need to do it in Tire Change mode.

We tow extensively and, once you set it up and put the system back to normal, it does all the magic for you !

We use an Andersen WDH and, after the initial set up, our Jeep and Trailer are almost perfectly parallel to the ground.
I guess I was just wondering how the QL can adjust if the car is off? On tire change mode, does it stick through on / off cycles?
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No,
You ONLY set it up with the QL off but then you put it back in QL and tow with it. The QL does all the equalization and load management with no issues.
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No,
You ONLY set it up with the QL off but then you put it back in QL and tow with it. The QL does all the equalization and load management with no issues.
Ok so, if I understand the procedure right: Turn QL off, park the Jeep by the hitch, turn the Jeep off, set up the hitch using the wheel well measurements (you mentioned having them be even but wouldn't I want to maintain the 1" differential there is when unloaded?), turn the Jeep back on, turn QL back on, drive around the block to let things settle in and recheck, done? Do you do any other considerations for Aero mode height drops (nominally set the hitch higher, etc)? Also, should this all be done with the trailer loaded?

Thanks for the help.
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