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Old 09-21-2015, 08:47 AM
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

You are missing my point but you appear to not have an open mind about other opinions on the matter. It does not matter when congress enacted the laws or how long these policies have been evolving. You made it a political conversation. The well known current political agenda is to push mass subsides to hybrid and electric while increasing the costs for internal combustion via regulation.

If you have so much trouble with diesel emissions why did you buy one?

I do not doubt VW will get nailed for this but I actually have an open mind to see there is some justification for what they have done to increase the life of this newer technology that we have seen so many issues with our own VM diesels. FCA pushed theirs through and now has a black mark for reliability on the Grand Cherokee that they now need to dig themselves out. That will take years. VW took a gamble while they worked the kinks out and lost.

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Old 09-21-2015, 10:55 AM
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

Dumb question....lets say epa snags the 18 billion...who ends up with the cash? Do politicians get another bonus or something
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

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Dumb question....lets say epa snags the 18 billion...who ends up with the cash? Do politicians get another bonus or something
No, that would be inefficient. It is more likely they will spend it doing something for their supporters. The returns will be huge in comparison.

I was wondering how/why the government found out about this. Maybe somebody who doesn't like the way they cozy up to the unions ...


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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

Awesome.


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The Environmental Protection Agency and California officials will test other diesel vehicles for use of software that deceives regulators measuring toxic emissions following news Friday that Volkswagen could face $18 billion in penalties for using that technology, an agency official said Monday.The federal and California Air Resources Board will test other vehicles for possible "defeat devices" after announcing on Friday that Volkswagen AG uses software that turns off emissions controls in cars when driving normally and turns them on when undergoing emissions tests.
EPA, California to test other diesel vehicles after Volkswagen | TODAYonline
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Old 09-21-2015, 03:09 PM
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

EPA is a joke. Awhile back we had an R-12 chiller refrigerant leak...2000 pounds worth. I called them to report it..there response was that if its under 5000 lbs, they do not need to know???
Really..why do they fine a poor tech who lets loose a few onces on the side of someone's house...idiots
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

So VW stock price gets slammed, losing 23% in one day of trading, most of it in the early morning today. It could be a very intersting buy opportunity for their stock price since every car manufacturer bounces back (look at GM, Toyota, and Honda).

Here's an interesting link with much information: VW's Emissions Cheating Found by Curious Clean-Air Group - Bloomberg Business

Clean Air Group tested the cars with West Virginia University, which then sent their findings to the EPA. Interestingly enough, the BMW X5 was also tested and passed.

Bosch manufactured the modules but claims no responsibility on how they are used by the manufacturer (VW).

VW purposefully misled the public, its customers and the regulatory bodies with their "Defeat software", and will face a hefty fine. As others mentioned earlier, the VW group benefited from a commercially unfair advantage, whether intended or not (although everything points to it being deliberately programmed, why else would it be there?).
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It was bound to happen. Everything related to this clean diesel technology will be scrutinized.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

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When VW acknowledges what the EPA accuses them off doing, then I'll be willing to accept what the EPA is accusing them off. Sorry, not an EPA fan boy.
Looks like VW acknowledges it now, after denying it for a year.

I'm not a diesel fan but I'm not gloating over it, I think it's sad.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

Does the VW 'workaround' do the same thing the Green Diesel ECU tune does for the GC diesel...turns off the EGR and DEF? I bet the VW diesels will soot up unbelieveably and become maintenance nightmares once the emissions cheat is removed. Comparitively, it seems that FCA has done a really good job of standing behind their product and re-engineering their diesels to make the emissions stuff work.

I had a VW Jetta diesel circa 2000. That car stranded me 7 actual times and was expensive to fix. It isn't surprising that they would have to cheat to make their cars function. Would never buy another VW.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

So this Bloomberg article makes it seem that VW is also cheating in Europe. Interesting.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

VW has been at the forefront for getting the U.S. Interested again in light duty diesel vehicles. Making torquey sedans that get 45+ mpg go a long way towards forgetting the abomination of a diesel that GM pushed to us in the 80's. Did they mess up, you betcha! However, I wish them a full and speedy recovery.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

We have a very poor standard of judgment in this country. GM just recently knew it had a problem that was literally deadly to its customers. 124 people died as a result and they get a $900M fine. That's pittance to a company that size. No criminal prosecution of management and those who knew or changed the part without changing the part number to help hide the problem. It's ok because GM is an American company that the Gov't bailed out due to it being too big to fail.

VW is foreign owned and lied and cheated but no one died as a result. I'm expecting them to get an even worse fine because of this one factor. Don't believe me - not too long ago Ford knew their new hit vehicle the Explorer ase dangerous at high speeds due to higher center of gravity and engineers called for a suspension redesign (something Ford did in Venezuela). However in the US that would cost them a lot of money so the solution was to have dealers deflate tires to 26 psi as standard procedure on a cheaply constructed passenger car tire Ford choose as standard equipment on an SUV. Many died but Ford and the US had a scapegoat - Firestone who was a foreign owned company could foot the blame for the majority of the negligence even though we had documentation stating the Explorer's design was the core root of the blame and Ford deflated tires leading to higher propensity of blowouts. Didn't matter foreign company gets the shaft and Ford was a "victim".
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