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VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

EPA Says Diesel VWs Had Software That Allowed Them to Cheat Emissions Tests

Potential $18B fine. All cars are being ordered by EPA for recall.

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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

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EPA Says Diesel VWs Had Software That Allowed Them to Cheat Emissions Tests

Potential $18B fine. All cars are being ordered by EPA for recall.
Is there any chance the $18B will go to those of us that decided to buy Jeep diesels? I suspect not and this will only lead to strengthening the tyrannical hand of the EPA.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

Apparently the EPA says that VW was using the ECU to manipulate the SCR on 2.0L TDI's to alter fuel economy figures. I hope the EPA gains nothing from this as anything they do will only hurt diesel owners everywhere. The EPA can take their biodiesel and ethanol mandates and shove up their tailpipes!
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

Amazing that VW would cheat so egregiously. Think of the engineering resources and costs FCA has invested to try to get this CRD to meet emissions requirements in the US. Once the software cheat is disabled, it'll be interesting to see how many VW owners suffer the same soot buildup/CAT/EGR problems that have plagued us, and whether VW will stand behind their products like Jeep has.
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I am no fan of our out of control EPA but in this case I hope they throw the book at VW. To intentionally design something to evade and violate law like that has no excuse. There are enough problems with unintended defects in vehicles but to do something like this, I hope they get the full 18 Billion in fines and they are made to buy back every vehicle that won't meet the spec they was sold under.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

What if the law is flawed and ill conceived?
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

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What if the law is flawed and ill conceived?
Then you fight to change it not intentionally violate it at a corporate level like that. Start by electing people that know what they are doing to office. The administration that is in there is a complete failure.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

Why would that matter? You can disagree with the law and fight to get it changed, but until it's changed, you have to comply. You can disagree with a state deciding to keep the 55mph speed limit, but if you get a ticket going 70, you should be exempt because you disagree? Try telling that one to the judge.

I'm amazed that a corporation would willfully violate the law like this. I almost hope there's some mistake being made.

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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

Before you all buy the EPA's assertion hook, line, and sinker perhaps you ought wait to learn more and hear VW's side of the story? The EPA says in their own letter to VW that they allegedly manipulated the ECU to alter how the SCR works to pass emissions tests, and they cite all the 2.0L TDI's in their North American lineup. The problem with that however unfortunately for the EPA and CARB, is that the only vehicle in the NA lineup that uses the 2.0L TDI and SCR, is the Passat.

I'm thinking that much like with most everything else to come out of the EPA and CARB's mouths, they don't know what they are talking about here. Let's learn more before you condemn VW and rush to a premature judgement.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

"The EPA says VW admitted that the device existed when they were threatened with not being allowed to sell 2016 model year diesels in the US."

Yes, VW is being unfairly persecuted by the EPA.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

VW should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

And before you are quick to judge EPA, think of the competitive advantages that a cheating automaker can have on the market through such manipulations. It may allow them to sell cars (and dominate the market) in places where they would comply with state-specific requirements (e.g. CARB) and other manufacturers don't.

Or maybe all manufacturers would be able to sell cars in those markets (e.g. California) except that the cheating manufacturer doesn't have to install the additional $750 dollar emission control device (DPF, urea injection, whatever) in order to pass the testing. So, they would be able to either price their vehicle lower than the competition, leading to a price advantage, hence more sales; or price it similar to the competitors but have a greater profit because their manufacturing cost was lower or any combination of these and other strategies.

And this nation has laws. Good or Bad they are to be followed until repelled. I personally care for the future and think that EPA tail pipe emission regulations (and any other regulations) serve to bring about technological progress as well as impact the overall morbidity and mortality. I love how Republicans love to say that we cannot change global warming by ourselves. No we cannot. And the fact that China may not cut its greenhouse gas emissions, will impact us. For sure. But emissions related to global warming also relate to the increased morbidity (disease) and mortality at local and regional levels. Of course there are advances in modern medicine which increase mean life expectation, but still translates into your parents dying sooner, you living a few years more than your parents but with chronic diseases, and your kids having chronic diseases that develop at much earlier ages. And that is all thanks to the toxic particulates PM 2.5 and PM 10 that you inhale, despite living miles or tens of miles away from industrial parks.
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Re: VW admits to EPA that diesel equipped cars will only meet emissions when tested

I don't excuse the EPA or the automakers... I'm not a fanboy of any of them.
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