Ive received several requests for a separate forum....and you guys know I like to give the members what they want! So here ya go.....a forum for our new ecodiesel community!
Any objective reason to buy Mobile 1 ESP rather than Pennsoil Ultra Euro L? I generally prefer Miobile 1, but the Pennsoil is considerably cheaper. Does the CRD come with Mobile 1?
Any objective reason to buy Mobile 1 ESP rather than Pennsoil Ultra Euro L? I generally prefer Miobile 1, but the Pennsoil is considerably cheaper. Does the CRD come with Mobile 1?
If sales numbers aren't available, maybe one of the JNAP guys can tell us what the current run rate is. I'm guessing that after the initial flurry things have quieted down, especially with diesel fuel currently at $.80 - $1.00 more than unleaded in my area. With the cold weather we're having now, my mpgs are less than 20. These things won't help sales with the general public. When discussing diesel sales with my dealer, he felt that the diesel GC will be a "specialty" vehicle, but putting the 3.0 in the RAM 1500 could be a much better selling vehicle. I tend to agree with him. That said, I still love my unicorn and made the right decision for me.
I picked up my 2014 JGC 4X4 Limited on November 8th. As of today I have put 4,838 miles on it with everyday trips on the interstate that are 40 miles one way along with a couple of 750 mile trips.
My oil life gauge shows 52% so I am right on track for an oil change at 10k miles. My DEF tank was filled at the dealership when I bought it and now the gauge shows about a third full so it would appear that I'll be filling that well before my first oil change.
So far, with 4,838 miles under my belt, the average miles per gallon reading is 28.8. That sounds high but with the length trips that I've taken and in central Mississippi weather (mild) maybe not.
I am absolutely thrilled with my purchase. Well made, fun to drive and perfect for my work.
The only thing I would not order again is those damn perforated seats. Everything gets caught in those perforations and doesn't just vacuum out! Other than that I'm a very satisfied customer. Now if it'll just do this for another 295,000 miles I'll be happy.
I picked up my 2014 JGC 4X4 Limited on November 8th. As of today I have put 4,838 miles on it with everyday trips on the interstate that are 40 miles one way along with a couple of 750 mile trips. My oil life gauge shows 52% so I am right on track for an oil change at 10k miles. My DEF tank was filled at the dealership when I bought it and now the gauge shows about a third full so it would appear that I'll be filling that well before my first oil change. So far, with 4,838 miles under my belt, the average miles per gallon reading is 28.8. That sounds high but with the length trips that I've taken and in central Mississippi weather (mild) maybe not. I am absolutely thrilled with my purchase. Well made, fun to drive and perfect for my work. The only thing I would not order again is those damn perforated seats. Everything gets caught in those perforations and doesn't just vacuum out! Other than that I'm a very satisfied customer. Now if it'll just do this for another 295,000 miles I'll be happy.
Thanks to all the leads on oil. I was able to pick up a couple quarts of the Mobil 1 ESP Formula at Pepboys for a bit over $12 per quart. I told the manager there I appreciated them having it in stock. I assumed it could be a bit hard to find, so wanted a couple quarts on hand when the time comes to top it off a bit.
One more design issue I found today during the snow/ice storm. Whenever I park my vehicle outside during a snow storm, I always tilt the wipers away from the windshield so they won't freeze and stick. Well, the flipper-glass (which is not flipping any longer) wiper can't be tilted. It only moves an inch or two away from the glass, and pulls back to the glass when you release it.
I barely recalled I had read something about lifting the rear wiper in the manual so today while waiting for someone I took a look at it.
There is a tab under the wiper base you press or push I forget but then it allows you to slide the plastic cap back and lift the wiper nearly perpendicular to the glass.
I am also getting much lower MPG's in the cold weather, just not as low as yours. I'm getting 20-21. I travel 21 miles one way to work with a lot of stop and go's.
This did bother me at first, but then I remembered my last vehicle only got 12 MPG and didn't have 4WD. (Full size conversion van)
I average about 90% city driving and I've gone from about 20-22mpg to around 18-19mpg since the weather turned.
My old car was was rated at 16/28 and I was getting far worse mileage with the type of driving I did (city mainly). I was averaging a constant 12mpg. I've found the the diesel's estimates to be conservative and my old FI engine's estimates to be a bit inflated. Considering I had to fill it with premium (which is about 10-20 cents cheaper than diesel here), it's a no brainer cost-wise.
I've been averaging under 14mpg in cold weather over the past week (130 miles) with some idling. Very similar to what my 2013 Hemi was getting. The cold weather is having a huge impact on the diesel.
Yah, I'm showing 19.4 mpg in this frigid temperature... just another reason to hate winter. Not that I needed another one...
I was REALLY happy to use my remote uconnect start from the plane yesterday when I landed. I did it a bit to early though... by the time I collected my bag (I try not to check bags but since I was traveling with a firearm I was forced to) and got out to the car it had already shut back down. When I fired it back up though it was obvious it had warmed up a bit.
I now have a little over 1200 miles on my Jeep. My first tank of fuel I averaged 28 mpg (the low fuel warning light illuminated just before I refueled with 22 gal.)
The second and third refueling have averaged 27 and 28 mpg respectively. I've filled up when the fuel gauge was showing 1/2 tank remaining and each time it has taken around 12 gal to fill the tank. Our temperatures have ranged from -13F to 27F since I took delivery. I've used the remote start feature daily, but never longer than 10 minutes at a time. I'm running winter tires on all four wheels. I'd estimate my driving is 30% city and 70% highway with a minimum milage of 20 miles every time I use the Jeep. I drive in Eco-mode and avoid the jack rabbit starts. I also rarely encounter heavy stop-and-go traffic. I don't know the cetane rating of the Diesel I've been using, but the pump says it is a "winter blend" with a "cloud point of -10F" and a "filter clog point of -20F".
Personally, I think financially it works out to offer savings when compared with the Hemi, but not with the V6. Since I knew I personally wanted more power than the V6 had after a few test drives (not that it was bad, but I wanted a little more umph!), it made it a pretty easy decision for me to move to the Diesel
I love the diesel, but have to admit that part of my reason was to get the heavier duty tranny. Yeah, the cost was more and the fuel is higher, but the piece of mind and driving pleasure is priceless.
I'm averaging 28 mpg with the CRD. Doing exactly the same type of driving with my 2011 GC Hemi I averaged 18mpg. Averaging over 20,000 miles per year plus the refinements the 2014 has (better transmission, etc.), there's just no comparison. My dealer had a nice Cashmere GC Limited CRD that sat on his lot for two weeks until a neighbor saw mine and listened to my sales pitch. He's now the proud owner of a new CRD and very happy with it. I told the Dealership Owner the main reason the CRD hadn't sold was his sales staff's lack of knowledge and enthusiasm regarding CRDs. When I first inquired about ordering one, the sales person said "You don't want one of those, the diesel option cost to much and the payback will be forever. Why don't you test drive one of these nice V6 models we have on the lot."
You either are or are not a diesel guy. My SO just shakes her head, fuel costs more, price was higher but again it isn't a need it is a hybrid need/want. I am a little more than a month away from getting mine and I did test drive one to be sure it was living up to expectations. The only thing I don't like is the C pillar blind spots which is why I wanted the blind spot sensors.
I will be one of the guys that wanted the range capability.
The 28mpg seems right to me as my SD diesel got a solid 17.5-19.1mpg all day long no matter what the speed except when driving 45 which gave me almost 21mpg. So if an older technology 7000 pound beast with a cD of what .50 and wetted area about the size of a one car garage can pull those numbers the JGC should do really well. As I reported before you can expect based on my 10 years driving the SD a reduction of 30% in the winter.
I am glad to hear the reports of the good fuel mileage and once warmer again we should all get great mpgs compared to the gassers out there...
My EVIC shows an avg of 24 mpg. I'm in Colorado where the temps have been very cold over the past 7-8 days. I drove it from CO Springs to Boulder, 2 trips into the mountains via I-70 and three days of around town driving. I too hope that it gets better but I'm not disappointed. At 24mpg its economy is better than my previous car (Audi A4) and really just destroys the mountain roads.
Sorry to break the MPG topic but I have a good news (for me) and a question.
The good news: I picked up my repaired SFU from a dealer (2 hours away in Harrisburg, PA) last night after waiting 2 weeks for a part. Instead of waiting 6 weeks for a urea injector to be delivered, the regional parts manager had them pull an entire DEF system from production and shipped to the dealer repairing my truck. Huge appreciation to the Freedom Jeep dealership even though they did not sell me the truck. Apparently, DEF system parts are shipped to the factory as an assembled system and if you are going to get a part from production, you have to take the entire system not just the needed part. Either way it worked for me.
The question: During the 2 hour ride back, despite them having fixed the heating system (recalibrated and upgraded the software/firmware) at the same time, I was still having problems with my heater. Many of you live in climates colder than me, are you having this problem? Peter K is the only other person I have found. I rode back with the outside temperature mostly around 19 degrees and, once the car warmed up, the inside temperature set to 84. Once the truck warms up, the heater periodically stops and the vents start blowing cold air. You wouldn't notice this on a trip of 20-30 minutes or less as the truck is still warming up.
Somewhere I read that the truck is supposed to maintain temperature like a house. Alternating heat and cold air to maintain a constant cabin temperature. However, no matter how you slice it, there we are in 19 degree outdoor temperature, the truck set to 84, and the wife expressing her great satisfaction that cold air is blowing on us. This can't be how the heater is supposed to function, is it?
My work around was to set the temp on high (the only way to keep the heat blowing), set the fan to low, have it vent to the foot area only. Every 15 minutes or so you turn the heat “down” to 84 at which point it will blow cold air until you can tolerate turning the temp back up to high. Any advise or knowledge about this is appreciated.
Sorry to break the MPG topic but I have a good news (for me) and a question.
The good news: I picked up my repaired SFU from a dealer (2 hours away in Harrisburg, PA) last night after waiting 2 weeks for a part. Instead of waiting 6 weeks for a urea injector to be delivered, the regional parts manager had them pull an entire DEF system from production and shipped to the dealer repairing my truck. Huge appreciation to the Freedom Jeep dealership even though they did not sell me the truck. Apparently, DEF system parts are shipped to the factory as an assembled system and if you are going to get a part from production, you have to take the entire system not just the needed part. Either way it worked for me.
The question: During the 2 hour ride back, despite them having fixed the heating system (recalibrated and upgraded the software/firmware) at the same time, I was still having problems with my heater. Many of you live in climates colder than me, are you having this problem? Peter K is the only other person I have found. I rode back with the outside temperature mostly around 19 degrees and, once the car warmed up, the inside temperature set to 84. Once the truck warms up, the heater periodically stops and the vents start blowing cold air. You wouldn't notice this on a trip of 20-30 minutes or less as the truck is still warming up.
Somewhere I read that the truck is supposed to maintain temperature like a house. Alternating heat and cold air to maintain a constant cabin temperature. However, no matter how you slice it, there we are in 19 degree outdoor temperature, the truck set to 84, and the wife expressing her great satisfaction that cold air is blowing on us. This can't be how the heater is supposed to function, is it?
My work around was to set the temp on high (the only way to keep the heat blowing), set the fan to low, have it vent to the foot area only. Every 15 minutes or so you turn the heat “down” to 84 at which point it will blow cold air until you can tolerate turning the temp back up to high. Any advise or knowledge about this is appreciated.
Mine does the same thing. When I picked it up in November and was driving fire the first few weeks the outside temps were in the lie 50's and I had the inside temp set at 66. The air coming out was hot. I dropped the temp to low and waited for the air to go cold and adjusted the temp warmer. Now that's it's in the low teens here I have the temp at 72/74 and it goes cold every now and then and then back to warm. I don't think this is right either.
Most of these systems use two sensors. One that is usually by the climate control unit itself and has a little 1"x1" grill on it with a small fan that runs when the CCU is running then a top sensor usually someplace on top of the dash.
I don't have my unit yet but what you guys report sure isn't a very good system control effort. I am sure Jeep knows about this and I wonder if this is somehow tied in to Uconnect and that the processor in the system is just lazy or the sensors are not reporting correctly.
Even the cheapest of cars that have auto climate control work well. This isn't a good sign for us...
Thanks for the replies. It seems that I am not the only one with this problem. I have a call into my dealers service manager. He can't find any TSBs or similar fixes so he is calling his engineer to look for an answer. I will post if I find out a solution. If he cant find a listed solution, I will likely take it in anyway to make sure that I don't have a bad or disconnected sensor.
Unfortunately, those of us running the gasoline versions also experience the mileage drop...about 2mpg for me in general, rural driving from about 16 in warmer times down to 14 presently. But my next JGC will be the diesel for sure!
I'm looking to get my car cleaned up after all the snow/salt/chemicals from the last week. I ran into this during my search. Is the new car package something useful or just a waste of money? Any opinions would be appreciated.
Just a couple more fuel economy things:
1. Here is a good link with info comparing cetane ratings between brands and some other economy tips - http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=200694
2. Postings on some non-JG forums and our own Shannon claim better milage with Kwik Trip diesel. This is a regional (IA, MN, WI) franchise. I called them and asked them the cetane rating. He said he'd call me right back, and he did. Bob said, "We have the best diesel fuel known to mankind and bananas for 39 cents per pound. I'll be watching for your diesel GC at our pumps." What a salesman. If I remember correctly, they use a 80% #2 and 20% #1 blend and add their own "gold" additives to the fuel. He said cetane was 42-45, which is a little above the typical 40 at many stations (Holiday, Pilot, FlyingJ, etc). Unfortunately, many of the higher cetane fuels are only available regionally.
Just a couple more fuel economy things: 1. Here is a good link with info comparing cetane ratings between brands and some other economy tips - http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=200694 2. Postings on some non-JG forums and our own Shannon claim better milage with Kwik Trip diesel. This is a regional (IA, MN, WI) franchise. I called them and asked them the cetane rating. He said he'd call me right back, and he did. Bob said, "We have the best diesel fuel known to mankind and bananas for 39 cents per pound. I'll be watching for your diesel GC at our pumps." What a salesman. If I remember correctly, they use a 80% #2 and 20% #1 blend and add their own "gold" additives to the fuel. He said cetane was 42-45, which is a little above the typical 40 at many stations (Holiday, Pilot, FlyingJ, etc). Unfortunately, many of the higher cetane fuels are only available regionally. Please post your experience with different fuels.
Filled up with some Shell today. Also added some Stanadyne and did my first Fuelly update. Look forward to tracking my mpg!
We have a storm coming in, we've had flurries all afternoon. After driving around for awhile with the stock wipers, I stopped and picked up some Bosch Icons and some windshield fluid de-icer. The stock wipers were already struggling with just some light flurries.
Between the new tires, wipers, additive and de-icer, I feel sufficiently winterized
My local diesel is 40 cetane and I am down to 1/4 tank. So far averaging 24 MPG (70% travel at 60 MPH with outside 0-20°F). Going to fill up today (still have 175 miles to Empty but habit) and I am going to add my diesel additive. I will keep everyone up to date if it actually helps MPGs as it is supposed to boost cetane rating. (I am doing it for the low temp benefits)
Filled up...23.9 MPG per real calculation...since my truck used to get 15 MPG downhill and the wind at my back I am excited about this...and I only had to swipe my card once.
Did my fill up and added my diesel additive...initial thoughts are my instant MPGs seem slightly up from the initial fill but time will tell.:thumbsup:
Someone did shout my way at the pump as I grabbed the diesel nozzle:lol: ...talked for a few minutes about it and they seemed interested. Only sad thing now is many people are unaware there is a diesel GC. (I am still the only in my city but I won't complain)
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