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Re: Welcome ALL 2014+ Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel owners!

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Just curious - what (if any) accessories are people getting with their SFU?

I've got a little extra room in the pre-approval to look at dealer adds. Really want to get a roof rack, but not sure about what the dealer carries vs. getting a Thule set.

I'd assume that floor mats don't come with...?

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Definitely floor mats all around. Hoping there's a CAI that comes out for it and definitely rear seat entertainment. Didn't want to wait for jeep on theirs, didn't look very nice in our opinion.
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Re: Welcome ALL 2014+ Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel owners!

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Are any of you going to do anything to your new unicorn as far as the finish goes? I read about doing a special wash, using clay bar, washing again, then putting on a sealant then some kind of wax. Sounds like a lot of time I don't have (or want to spend) or taking it to a detailer. Is all that really necessary or are they just trying to sell product? I've never done anything but a rare wax job and wash it periodically. But then I've never spent $50k+ for a car before either, and I want it to look nice for a long time.
Getting Pro-tect film on all the "front" surfaces. Go home, wash, clay bar, wash, JetSeal 109, wax, wax, maybe wax again.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:33 PM
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Are any of you going to do anything to your new unicorn as far as the finish goes? I read about doing a special wash, using clay bar, washing again, then putting on a sealant then some kind of wax. Sounds like a lot of time I don't have (or want to spend) or taking it to a detailer. Is all that really necessary or are they just trying to sell product? I've never done anything but a rare wax job and wash it periodically. But then I've never spent $50k+ for a car before either, and I want it to look nice for a long time.
No offense to Scott and his JG team or Milous and Willx, but can you count the amount of time you've spent refreshing MOTS--- and for what? To see the bump on your head from banging it against the keyboard grow and grow and grow b/c your SFU remained penned up too long? We all spend a good amount of time ribbing one another and picking up great info as well, but I've tried to take that info and put it to use.

During the lead up to collecting my Limited in April I had the same questions about claying/cleaning/etc. Came across these guys, who are now a site supporter, and I ultimately pulled the trigger on the clay bar (about 1 minute in) and some of the cleaning supplies. Reason I ended up going with them was b/c of the how-to videos which were extremely helpful.

I had my Limited for about a month and then did the clay bar et al. It does remove the grime picked up during shipping (that got onto parts not covered by the wrap) and while it was on the road during my break-in period (including some mild off roading); and the products really smoothed out the feel of the paint and made it sparkle. Doing the clay/wax/polish and washes help me get to know the vehicle better -- though I certainly didn't feel that way growing up and washing the family vehicles, that's for sure.

If you can afford to have a professional detail it, go for it, just make sure you find somebody/company that is rated highly -- you're paying a ton of money, get what it's worth. However, if you have time and an inkling to do it yourself, you'll like the results. And if you do it yourself and have a valid explanation that placates your wife as to why it takes so "dang" long to clean a Jeep, please pass that on to the rest of us.
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:09 AM
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Hmph. I sent an email to my dealer yesterday trying to make sure everything was lined up. I mentioned that it seems other dealers are forgetting to top up the urea tank, so I said I wanted to be sure that was done. Here was his reply:



I haven't gotten a reply from Jim in two weeks. At least he reads your email!

That's a terrible response, though I can't say I'm all that surprised. I wonder though, if there's any documentation of this 2.5 Gallon urea fill that Willx alluded to? I suspect it will be hard to convince him he can do it if he's already decided they can't.

Not a big deal though, if he refuses. DEF is cheap enough and super easy to fill yourself. I have no intention of having my GC serviced at the dealership I'm buying it from, since their reviews on yelp are just horrible. This will likely be my first and last dealing with them until I want the 2023 GC
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Re: Welcome ALL 2014+ Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel owners!

I suggest everyone here try at least waxing their car on their own at some point. Take a Saturday where the weather is nice and just spend some time reading a set of instructions on a quality wax manufacturers bottle! The waxing and even clay bar process is not difficult at all and honestly you can screw it up pretty bad and still do no harm.

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If you have access to scales weigh your front and rear axles separately. Then consult a load and inflation table for the size and style of tire you are considering. The tables do not vary much from one mfg to another so you will be close whether the chart is for Michelin, Toyo, or Bridgestone. Here is a link to Toyo's charts. Page 71 addresses your issue.

http://www.toyotires.ca/sites/defaul...ationtable.pdf
If you are referring to the load/inflation tables issued by the Tire and Rim Association, Inc. or in my case, the Tyre and Rim Association of Australia, that method is a good starting point but not really what one wants. These load/inflation tables are minimum standards set by the industry body for their members. Members include most of the major players in that market. For example, members of the Australian association include Bearcat, Bridgestone, Goodyear/Dunlop, Continental, Michelin, Pirelli, Sumitomo and Toyo. They all use the same tables in this market. The problem for us users is that the minimum pressure required to safely carry a load, is not necessarily the pressure that will give the best compromise of performance (braking, cornering and handling), fuel economy, wear, noise and comfort. Car manufacturers extensively test tyres to come up with a figure that they can put on the tyre pressure placard for our guidance. This is often higher than would be required just to carry the load. For example, my MY12 has a placard pressure of 33psi for 265/60R18 passenger tyre. Using the registered GVM of 2.949kg, the load/inflation tables give me 23psi. With two people on board, a full tank and some gear in the back, the weighbridge figures were 1,420kg front and 1,300kg rear. For that, the load/inflation tables give me 22psi front and 19psi rear. I think you would agree that the performance at these low pressures would be woeful albeit quite capable of carrying the load.

Now if we do the same exercise for LT tyres, things are a bit different. Note that contrary to what one might think, LT tyres need a higher inflation pressure for a specific load than passenger tyres. Using the GVM method gives a pressure of 32psi and the weighbridge method gives 30psi front and 26psi rear. This looks a little more reasonable but they are still minimum pressures. For best performance, the pressure should be somewhat higher but how much higher? That's the big question. I have been given dozens of opinions, some reasonable and some crazy but nothing definitive of convincing.

Please don't mention the 4psi rule. I wasted about a tank of fuel only to come to the conclusion that it was useless for so many reasons. Then there are the anecdotals, "Me and my Dad have always done this and never had a problem". A sample of one, great but all it proves is that they never had a problem.

A suggestion from a "technical expert" at Bridgestone was to use the load/inflation tables to determine what load the OEM tyres could carry at the placard pressure then determine what pressure the LT tyres required to take the same load. It sounds perfectly reasonable doesn't it? However that gives a tyre pressure of 51psi.
So using by using the load/inflation tables two different ways, both seemingly quite reasonable, we get a range from 26-51psi. I'm guessing the optimum pressure is somewhere in between. Iím still working on it.
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Re: Welcome ALL 2014+ Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel owners!

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Just curious - what (if any) accessories are people getting with their SFU?

I've got a little extra room in the pre-approval to look at dealer adds. Really want to get a roof rack, but not sure about what the dealer carries vs. getting a Thule set.

I'd assume that floor mats don't come with...?

Thanks!
I've got Husky Liners X-Act Floor mats ordered for the front and rear seats already...I'm still trying to decide what I want for the cargo area.

I'll also be adding a winch when I figure out what mount I want to go with.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:16 AM
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Now that I have a couple to days to drive and get the feel on the Jeep I wanted to give a better review. I have three issues that will be addressed at the dealer on Thursday. 1. DEF tank not full 2. Driver tail light not flush to body 3. TPMS shows wrong pressure to manual pressure gauge.

Vehicle: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland
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Currently at 315 miles on odometer. Down to 3/4 tank and the EVIC estimation until empty is 346 miles

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Fit and finish are good. The paint is great and looks so deep you could swim in it. I ordered Granite and it looks just awesome. I do not like chrome all that much but I really do not like black plastic trim. You have to be so careful to keep wax off the black plastic. All body panels line up nicely. No issues on the hatch misalignment reported by others. The driver tail light does not fit flush to the body. On the top edge by the hatch it seems to curl too much and contacts the body before the housing can be fully seated. So there is a gap to the quarter panel and crates a sub flush condition to the hatch. The dealer has said they will replace the housing.

Interior:
Absolutely love the color contrast and stitching. The blue is very dark and no one seems to realize it’s blue and not grey. The leather is soft but not lambskin soft where you feel it will scuff and scratch easily. I am still setting up my setting on the EVIC but I did notice that the TPMS does not display the correct tire pressure. I have set the pressure to 36 degrees at cold and the display shows all 4 tires at different pressure from 37 to 39 degrees. Maybe there is a software flash for this. The big radio is just awesome. Still learning where everything is. No issues anywhere on the interior. The pano roof does not squeak, rattle, or leak. With the shade all the way open it really lets in the light and will be very nice in the sunlightless Michigan Winters. It would be nice if there was a coin holder though. The heated seats work well as does the heated steering wheel.

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The diesel is everything I expected it to be. It is smooth and quiet. The transmission upshifts and down shifts without any issues and is very refined. I’ve been mostly driving in ECO mode. I live in a hilly rural area. Most hills the trans will stay in 8th and sometimes drop into 7th unless I’m pushing on the throttle but it never struggles to climb. Running with the ECO off the shifts aren’t as early and I think this is where I will mostly drive. I really like the automic Aero mode when driving. Played with Sport mode but it holds the gears a little too long for cursing. With the need of zipping in and out of traffic the Sport mode will work great. Mileage has gone from 25.3 cruising in areas with only a couple stop sign and traffic lights down to 24.1 with the morning commute with on and off throttle driving. I have not yet tested the Quadra Drive. The auto dimming headlights are excellent and work better than they did on my '07. The rain sensative wipers work perfect too.

There is a short turbo lag when accelerating from a complete stop and flooring it. Maybe a second or so before the turbo spools up. You are still moving though until that time but to someone new to a turbo diesel this may take a little get used to. The VM engine pulls strong from a stop and under normal driving there is no hesitation or lag. Very smooth and confident.

In summary this is an awesome Jeep. My hat is off to Chevy, Milous, Willix, and the others on producing a Jeep I plan to keep for a very long time.

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ClayBar WARNING!

If you drop the claybar, THROW IT AWAY! It will pick up sand, dirt, rocks etc when you drop it and it will scratch your paint like crazy. Just toss it and go get a new one (far cheaper to do that then have to repair the paint scratches.) I clay bar all my vehicles 2x a year (spring and fall) then wax, it is amazing stuff and makes you paint smooth as silk. I would recommend it for sure and it is very easy to use.
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I was wondering the same thing. I'd rather not try to wash and wax it myself in northern minnesota in December when mine should be in.
Especially since we are in a winter storm watch tonight in the Twin Cities

I think I will wait till my first good hand wash of the Jeep in the spring for the first use of the clay bar.
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Willx and others: I plan on having the Tekonsha P3 brake controller installed when I pick up the new trailer (after 500 miles of driving). Would appreciate advice and pics on exactly where you'll position it. I assume the ORA II has a good wiring set up. Thanks!
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Engine/transmission/driving:
The diesel is everything I expected it to be. It is smooth and quiet. The transmission upshifts and down shifts without any issues and is very refined. Iíve been mostly driving in ECO mode. I live in a hilly rural area. Most hills the trans will stay in 8th and sometimes drop into 7th unless Iím pushing on the throttle but it never struggles to climb. Running with the ECO off the shifts arenít as early and I think this is where I will mostly drive. I really like the automic Aero mode when driving. Played with Sport mode but it holds the gears a little too long for cursing. With the need of zipping in and out of traffic the Sport mode will work great. Mileage has gone from 25.3 cruising in areas with only a couple stop sign and traffic lights down to 24.1 with the morning commute with on and off throttle driving. I have not yet tested the Quadra Drive. The auto dimming headlights are excellent and work better than they did on my '07. The rain sensative wipers work perfect too.

There is a short turbo lag when accelerating from a complete stop and flooring it. Maybe a second or so before the turbo spools up. You are still moving though until that time but to someone new to a turbo diesel this may take a little get used to. The VM engine pulls strong from a stop and under normal driving there is no hesitation or lag. Very smooth and confident.

In summary this is an awesome Jeep. My hat is off to Chevy, Milous, Willix, and the others on producing a Jeep I plan to keep for a very long time.

A message to the future unicorn owners: It is so worth the wait. Hang in there and don't go commando.
Nice write up Mazster 43, I'm still wondering how bad is the turbo lag? That's why I'm really waiting to drive one before ordering the diesel or one of the other engines. I've driven the VW Touareg TDI and I noticed no turbo lag and real smooth. I was just wondering if the GC diesel is just as smooth. Still getting another GC just have the engine dilemma. TIA
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