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If you aren't going to be doing any offroading and are sticking with the 20's, I'd go Michelin Latitude Tour HP's personally. Great tire (low road noise, great traction, decent in the snow and ice). The only down side is the treadlife isn't super great (don't expect 70-80k miles), but they should get you to 50-60k.
Question - why are so many people looking at new tires for a new vehicle? I understand for more off road or snow conditions, but for those of us that will primarily be commuting, running errands and traveling - are the stock tires not suitable? Granted, I come from owning cars for the last 20 years, so this is a big change...!

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Question - why are so many people looking at new tires for a new vehicle? I understand for more off road or snow conditions, but for those of us that will primarily be commuting, running errands and traveling - are the stock tires not suitable? Granted, I come from owning cars for the last 20 years, so this is a big change...!

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Well... my truck is a "trail rated" vehicle with 4x4, skid plates, tow hooks, lift, etc. etc... and tires designed for a soccer mom mini-van.

They're "suitable"... if you are commuting, running errands, etc. on nicely manicured, plowed and salted, or dry roads.

Not so much when I go to the range in the dead of winter and have to climb a snow and ice covered rutted mud/dirt "road" to get to the good shooting bays out back.

That said I can't decide what the hell tire to get... The cooper at3 tires are awesome offroad but noisy... make some Nokians... Wrangler Silentarmor?

What's a good tire for 75/25 on/off road?!?!?!?
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Question - why are so many people looking at new tires for a new vehicle? I understand for more off road or snow conditions, but for those of us that will primarily be commuting, running errands and traveling - are the stock tires not suitable? Granted, I come from owning cars for the last 20 years, so this is a big change...!

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In general, I'm not a big fan (and I don't think a lot of other folks are fans) of the Forteras that come on the JGC as stock.

I've had a fair amount of issues with wet traction with them (and not overly impressed with the snow/ice traction either).

I *think* the 18's come with Michelin Latitude Tours, which aren't bad (better then the Goodyears in my opinion), but not for offroading and not as nice for commuting as the HP's or the MS 2's.

The 20's are the Fortera's... so, depending on the package you ordered (18's come on the Offroad 2 package and the Limiteds, the 20's come on the Overlands and Summits with no Offroad 2 package), you maybe good for commuting, but not offroading, or you may have a tire I'd rip off immediately...

It's the difference between a guy that like Bud, and the guy that drinks only microbrew. They both do the job, but your satisfaction will vary on your tastes (and budget).
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In general, I'm not a big fan (and I don't think a lot of other folks are) fans of the Forteras that come on the JGC as stock.

I've had a fair amount of issues with wet traction with them (and not overly impressed with the snow/ice traction either).

I *think* the 20's come with Michelin Latitude Tours, which aren't bad (better then the Goodyears in my opinion), but not for offroading and not as nice for commuting as the HP's.

The 18's you have more options available (A/T 2, M/S 2, HP, etc...).

It's the difference between a guy that like Bud, and the guy that drinks only microbrew. They both do the job, but your satisfaction will vary on your tastes (and budget).
The 20's are Goodyear forteras.
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That said I can't decide what the hell tire to get... The cooper at3 tires are awesome offroad but noisy... make some Nokians... Wrangler Silentarmor?

What's a good tire for 75/25 on/off road?!?!?!?
I'm in the same boat. I've basically narrowed it down to the cooper at3 and the Goodyear Wrangler all-terrain adventure (it's their new tire that is supposed to replace the silent armor - wish they'd pick a shorter name though ...). I also haven't decided between LT and P, but I think I'm back to leaning toward the P.

At the moment I'm 51% the Goodyear 49% Cooper, and 55% P 45% LT. I only have a few more days to decide though, since (hopefully) my SFU will be at the dealer sometime between friday (unlikely) and tuesday (should be the latest).

I'd like to do it right away so that I have a better shot at getting at least some $$ for the stock tires. I feel that if I wait a couple weeks and put a few more miles on, I'd be less likely to get anything for them.
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I'm in the same boat. I've basically narrowed it down to the cooper at3 and the Goodyear Wrangler all-terrain adventure (it's their new tire that is supposed to replace the silent armor - wish they'd pick a shorter name though ...). I also haven't decided between LT and P, but I think I'm back to leaning toward the P.

At the moment I'm 51% the Goodyear 49% Cooper, and 55% P 45% LT. I only have a few more days to decide though, since (hopefully) my SFU will be at the dealer sometime between friday (unlikely) and tuesday (should be the latest).

I'd like to do it right away so that I have a better shot at getting at least some $$ for the stock tires. I feel that if I wait a couple weeks and put a few more miles on, I'd be less likely to get anything for them.
Same here... any idea what a fair price is for the stockers with around 500 miles on them? I was guessing on trying to get $100/ea...

Are the wrangler AT ADV reviewing as quieter than the coop at3s? That might make my decision. I'm stuck at 50/50 on the LT vs P question though...
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The 20's are Goodyear forteras.
Yeah, caught that and made a fix to the post.
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Same here... any idea what a fair price is for the stockers with around 500 miles on them? I was guessing on trying to get $100/ea...
No, I haven't really researched it. I recall that Sno got one of the best deals I'd seen, but I don't remember exactly what he got. I was going to search for his post before I went to the tire place.

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Are the wrangler AT ADV reviewing as quieter than the coop at3s? That might make my decision.
I haven't seen any comparisons of the two, but the reviews I've seen so far indicate the Goodyears are pretty quiet for an a/t tire.

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I really *want* to go with the LT. But there are a couple things that are still holding me back. The first is that the smallest LT I've found is a 32" which is really pushing it in terms of fitting.

The next thing was this post:

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As you already know, an "LT" designates LIght Truck construction---whether our Grands are light trucks is debatagble and I take the position it's not. Back to the point, P is basically 4 ply rated equivalent. It is also known as B load rated. LT starts at 6 ply equivalent--C load rated, 8 ply rated--D load rated, and 10 ply rated--E load equivalent. D and E are really for 3/4-1 ton trucks. Aside from the letter designation, LT may carry identical side wall and tread plies generally 5 ply on the tread and 2 ply sidewalls), but the general industry standard is LT rated tires use thicker plies and stronger thicker wires making up the belts. It also increases the weight it can carry. It also means each tire is heavier and firmer to support the weight.

SUVs like ours normally need no more than LT-C rated, Anything higher will beat up the suspension and ride like a park bench. As you go up the LT rating, the tires weight increases 5-30 pounds depending on how far you go up nad the construction and tread design. AN increase of 7-8 pouhds oscillating at high speeds is a tremendous amout of inertia that can wear out shocks and joints much faster.

Your fuel mileage will also suffer 1-1.5 mpg--you're increasing the diameter, increasing weight, and changing from highway tread design with less rolling resistence an A/T with greater rolling resistence. Steering response may feel mushier and less reponsive. A slight increas will not affect braking too much and acceleration will be less.

Remember that 1/2 ton trucks all use P rated tires and suffer no adverse affects unless used in really rough trails on a constant basis. IF it's good enough to a 1/2 ton, there will probably be no felt increase in durability to jump ot a C rated LT tire. It's more for looks.
And the last thing was this info from Goodyear regarding why they don't have the severe snow rating on the P versions:

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The company added it chose to not pursue earning the “snowflake” winter tire designation for all versions of the tire due to consumer needs.

“The P-metrics tend to be on vehicles with a little more on-road performance. They need a little more wet performance, so we chose to focus on the wet performance on the standard load tires,” Nowacki said. “The pro-grade sizes, LT-metric sizes, they need a little more chip and chunk resistance. They have a lot more diverse load and inflation conditions, so we wanted to address those needs, as well. We found it a good break point between the P-metric and LT-metric. The LT-metrics have deeper tread to help with tread life and earn the snow flake certification, as well.”
Since I'm more likely to be on wet roads than snow or off-road, it seems like I should tend toward the P since they've designed it more for that. But really, I still don't know what I'm going to do.
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Two things:
1. I stopped at Discount Tire, they said they would give me $50 each for my Forturas toward a set of Michelin Latitude Tour HPs. He said they sell them used for $149 and normally would offer about 50% of that price but said they are an odd size (20") so $50 was the best he could do. Normal price $270 each for the HPs, so it will set me back about $900 to swap out the tires. Even the guy there said the Forturas aren't good on snow, which we get occasionally here in MN :-) Between paint protection film ($799), lifetime warranty ($2200), new tires ($900), and floor/cargo mats ($250) I'm looking at another $4,000+ on top of what I'm paying for the car. Holy crap. I may just get the mats and leave it at that.
2. Stopped at the local license place. I asked if "VTAIL" was available for personalized plates - it is! So I got the form to fill out and will give that to the dealer to send in with the plates request. Fun.

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I stopped at Discount Tire, they said they would give me $50 each for my Forturas toward a set of Michelin Latitude Tour HPs. He said they sell them used for $149 and normally would offer about 50% of that price but said they are an odd size (20") so $50 was the best he could do. Normal price $270 each for the HPs, so it will set me back about $900 to swap out the tires. Even the guy there said the Forturas aren't good on snow, which we get occasionally here in MN :-)
I ordered my Winter tires from Tirerack. They ran me $160 a pop, so $640. Now, I did opt to buy "Winter Rims" so that I don't have to mess around with mounting and balancing my tires every Spring and Winter.

All told, with the new rims (18's) and the studded winter tires, it came to $1,546 with shipping.

I did the same thing for my Durango (ordered 18 inch rims and the same tires for it as my Unicorn).

The Jeep, I'm swapping out the Tours for A/T 2's. I'm getting an average offer of about $100 per tire (for the 18's) from tire stores.

I did see the same issue you had with the 20's though. I am getting offers of $50-$75 per tire for those (again, because there's like.. 6 tires that fit that rim or something obnoxious).

I may end up just switching my Durango to 18's and selling off my 20 inch rims there if the tires are such a pain to find (also depends on what the switch form 20 to 18 does to the ride and handling).
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To any of you lucky dudes who already have your vehicle, how is the acceleration in the 60-75mph aka interstate passing range?
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Well... my truck is a "trail rated" vehicle with 4x4, skid plates, tow hooks, lift, etc. etc... and tires designed for a soccer mom mini-van.

They're "suitable"... if you are commuting, running errands, etc. on nicely manicured, plowed and salted, or dry roads.

Not so much when I go to the range in the dead of winter and have to climb a snow and ice covered rutted mud/dirt "road" to get to the good shooting bays out back.

That said I can't decide what the hell tire to get... The cooper at3 tires are awesome offroad but noisy... make some Nokians... Wrangler Silentarmor?

What's a good tire for 75/25 on/off road?!?!?!?
Chiv - I looked into this a lot. It starts snowing here in late August, and stops for he summer in late May, so I wanted a reasonably good snow tire I can run 4 seasons. I also wanted something that would perform off-road. I ended up ordering the GoodYear AllTerrain Adventure which looks like a redesigned version of the Silent Armor that came on the 2013 TrailHawk. GoodYear bills it as a 80% highway, 20% off road tire. Lots of fanfare and lots of reviews with positive feedback.

I was planning on running the stock tires, but decided that I wanted something better for snow driving. I commute 30-65 miles over Vail Pass (one way) everyday, and it gets a little snowy up there for more than 1/2 the year.

Still waiting on my Jeep to get on a train, but the tires, my weather tech mats, and a few other items are patiently awaiting its arrival.
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