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Like I said, use the search button. This has already been discussed at length.

I'm gonna go ahead and ignore the rest of your post bc the false equivalency and sarcasm just aren't worth my time.
WOW I didn't mean to stew anything..... I did read all that before and that was part of my question I guess..... Reading those post about the Natura one of the big reasons I went with the summit! Like i stated my real leather looked like crap after 16k...

To why I was asking someone to clarify:

Like I stated, when I received my 2014 JGC Eco Diesel last week my leather dash had a "snag" above the GPS and it stuck out like sore thumb even tho it was tiny. The dealer finalized my deal with paperwork stating that they know about the problem and that it will be properly fixed. They told me they guy they use on leather works mainly on BMW, Mercedes, ect.... and that he would come to my house and look at it and tell me what he would do.

He came to my house and did his speal on what he was going to do. After that I asked him what he would recommend to use on my seats to keep them from cracking like my previous vehicle? I told him its natura leather and it's synthetic. HE DID NOT BELIEVE ME! (this is why I questioned this again) "I've been fixing leather for 20 years and your telling me thats not leather? thats soft soft leather, thats the stuff they use in ferrari!" I then questioned my self as he was caressing my seats. I then did the search on natura leather and read it to him. He was in disbelief.

So back to my original question, what should I use on my ferrari like fake leather (that i don't give a $hit what its called it's nice and if it doesn't end up like my leather seats I'll be even happier)

that being seed, it faked out an expert! if you don't like your summit I'm sure someone else will trade you their overland Leather seats!
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Thank you for sharing some optimism.

However, I will be intrinsically unable to avoid correcting people to point out that the material is pleather instead. Also, I will forever be incensed by any film that builds up on the interior windshield; whether or not it is due to the pleather in the Jeep, the pleather will be assigned the blame.

"Hi, this is my $50k vehicle. Like the pleather? Apparently, it's supposed to be so much better & more expensive than actual leather... but they had to trick people into buying it. No, I swear the emperor is *not* naked!"

Do you use a micro fiber cloth? if you do that the film, whatever they are using on newer windshields pulls fibers off.. IT SUCKS and is a pain to get the fibers off after the fact
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WTF??? My Summit has polyester seats??? I'm returning it on Monday WTF!!!
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WOW I didn't mean to stew anything..... I did read all that before and that was part of my question I guess..... Reading those post about the Natura one of the big reasons I went with the summit! Like i stated my real leather looked like crap after 16k...

To why I was asking someone to clarify:

Like I stated, when I received my 2014 JGC Eco Diesel last week my leather dash had a "snag" above the GPS and it stuck out like sore thumb even tho it was tiny. The dealer finalized my deal with paperwork stating that they know about the problem and that it will be properly fixed. They told me they guy they use on leather works mainly on BMW, Mercedes, ect.... and that he would come to my house and look at it and tell me what he would do.

He came to my house and did his speal on what he was going to do. After that I asked him what he would recommend to use on my seats to keep them from cracking like my previous vehicle? I told him its natura leather and it's synthetic. HE DID NOT BELIEVE ME! (this is why I questioned this again) "I've been fixing leather for 20 years and your telling me thats not leather? thats soft soft leather, thats the stuff they use in ferrari!" I then questioned my self as he was caressing my seats. I then did the search on natura leather and read it to him. He was in disbelief.

So back to my original question, what should I use on my ferrari like fake leather (that i don't give a $hit what its called it's nice and if it doesn't end up like my leather seats I'll be even happier)

that being seed, it faked out an expert! if you don't like your summit I'm sure someone else will trade you their overland Leather seats!
Nothing, that's the beauty of it. They don't require any maintenance. If you stain them, soap and water should be enough.
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Old 11-16-2013, 10:34 PM
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Someone in this thread mentioned that natura leather is leatherette. If so, it should be cheaper than leather. In my prior BMW, leatherette was the basic while leather was an option.
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Old 11-16-2013, 11:27 PM
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Re: Welcome ALL 2014+ Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel owners!

I'm curious if anyone has confirmed whether the Natura Plus Leather is the same as the Natura Leather described at Natura Leather ? Everyone seems to assume so, and I guess I have no reason to assume otherwise. Though there was this post:

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Overland and summit use real leather.. Most manufactures now (especially in the UK) have to inform the customer whether the leather is real or not, most manufactures say "leather* interior". *atificial leather.

The Overland uses real leather, called Nappa which we all probably already know..

The Summit uses Natura Plus leather, still real leather but a slightly different method is use in it's preparation and manufacturing process. The Natura plus leather is based on and uses the same process as Natura leather. Natura meaning natural, nature etc etc...

This leather uses no chemicals at all in the manufacturing process, only natural ingredients are used, even natural ingredients are used in the tanning process. This is good for people who are allergic to chemicals in leather, so if you are allergic to the chemicals used in leather, the Summit is the car for you. The leather is one of the most breathable types of leather available.

The "Plus" in Natura Plus, just means that the leather has an extended treatment, to make it a more supple and softer leather. Extra treatment is done to make the leather more stable and as durable as other top quality leathers on the market..

So in summery, it's real leather, chemical free, and very soft :-)

The reason you'll are not finding anything on google when searching "Natura leather" is because the term "Natura" is not an official name of the leather such as Nappa, Nubuck, Patent etc, etc.. The name "Natura" is a Trademark name given to leather which has undergone this chemical free process, The name "Natura" is a regisered Trademark which belongs to a specific manufacturer.. I explained it the best I could, Hope it makes sense?

To find more info on the leather, you have to search, "chrome free leather "or "chemical free leather" to pull more results..
Which seems to indicate it may be different than what's described at naturaleathers.com. Also, when I searched for posts from those "in the know" (Scottina, Chevy, Milous, Willx, Marlon) I didn't find any definitive answers.

It doesn't really matter to me personally since I have an overland. I'm just mildly curious. Though I don't quite understand the indignation if it is indeed not real leather. If it looks like leather, feels like leather, but has better longevity ... unless you really hate cows, I don't see what the difference is? Leather is not preferred *because* it's leather - it's preferred because of its properties. If there's something that has all the same properties but is even better, then isn't that ... well ... better?

And even more frankly, if there *is* a material that's equal to or better than real leather in every way, but doesn't sacrifice cows, quite honestly that would be my preference.
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I think it's real leather that has been given an unfortunate marketing name that just happens to coincide with that vinyl producing company but also happens to share its name with a Tuna flavoured cat food.

I wonder if the product comes out of this company who not only are a world producer of leather products to various industries including the automotive industry, have a range called Natura but in addition to that, have their laboratory in Italy.

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Update on my DEF gauge showing empty. It seems to occur on remote start. After a non-remote start it displays properly. Anybody else seeing this?
Yes, same thing happens to mine. I've been using remote start quite a bit. Couldn't understand why DEF gauge showed empty when I know it's full. Now I know. Thanks.
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I'm curious if anyone has confirmed whether the Natura Plus Leather is the same as the Natura Leather described at Natura Leather ? Everyone seems to assume so, and I guess I have no reason to assume otherwise. Though there was this post: Which seems to indicate it may be different than what's described at naturaleathers.com. Also, when I searched for posts from those "in the know" (Scottina, Chevy, Milous, Willx, Marlon) I didn't find any definitive answers. It doesn't really matter to me personally since I have an overland. I'm just mildly curious. Though I don't quite understand the indignation if it is indeed not real leather. If it looks like leather, feels like leather, but has better longevity ... unless you really hate cows, I don't see what the difference is? Leather is not preferred *because* it's leather - it's preferred because of its properties. If there's something that has all the same properties but is even better, then isn't that ... well ... better? And even more frankly, if there *is* a material that's equal to or better than real leather in every way, but doesn't sacrifice cows, quite honestly that would be my preference.
I'd like to have a definitive answer from someone I trust (Milous, Willx, Chevy??) only so I know how to care for the material. I purchased a leather cleaner/conditioner from Chemical Guys and need to know if I should only use it on the dash and steering wheel (and maybe gear shifter?), or should I use it on the seats also? If the seats are a synthetic material then I don't want to use a leather care product on it, but rather something intended for that specific material. Thanks in advance.
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WOW I didn't mean to stew anything..... I did read all that before and that was part of my question I guess..... Reading those post about the Natura one of the big reasons I went with the summit! Like i stated my real leather looked like crap after 16k...

To why I was asking someone to clarify:

Like I stated, when I received my 2014 JGC Eco Diesel last week my leather dash had a "snag" above the GPS and it stuck out like sore thumb even tho it was tiny. The dealer finalized my deal with paperwork stating that they know about the problem and that it will be properly fixed. They told me they guy they use on leather works mainly on BMW, Mercedes, ect.... and that he would come to my house and look at it and tell me what he would do.

He came to my house and did his speal on what he was going to do. After that I asked him what he would recommend to use on my seats to keep them from cracking like my previous vehicle? I told him its natura leather and it's synthetic. HE DID NOT BELIEVE ME! (this is why I questioned this again) "I've been fixing leather for 20 years and your telling me thats not leather? thats soft soft leather, thats the stuff they use in ferrari!" I then questioned my self as he was caressing my seats. I then did the search on natura leather and read it to him. He was in disbelief.

So back to my original question, what should I use on my ferrari like fake leather (that i don't give a $hit what its called it's nice and if it doesn't end up like my leather seats I'll be even happier)

that being seed, it faked out an expert! if you don't like your summit I'm sure someone else will trade you their overland Leather seats!
Right here with you in being pleased it is either semi-synthetic or full synthetic leather. On the other hand to insinuate that this is the pleather of the 70s/80s is simply stupid (not your comment).

My Mercedes had Artico Leather and unlike the BMW, that is what most people wanted because it was simply more durable. The fact that the summit is so much closer to real high quality leather in looks, feel and SMELL!! is outstanding. I love the variance in the grains throughout the vehicle and the natural stressing it has in places. Back to the Mercedes world almost all of the best SUVs they have are 90% Artico (their synthetic) including one of my Bosses GL350 Bluetec which is an entirely different price class. The dealers will even tell you only get real leather in a vehicle you will NOT use as a daily driver.

So frankly, I didn't know it was not real leather (but I am happy) and I will probably point out to people that it isn't real but in the positive light. I have had lots of real Leather vehicles and all of them did not wear all that well (I will get in and out of my vehicle a lot in a day). When I finally drove a Mercedes I realized how superior synthetics where.... Anyone who disagrees, I will send you pictures of my 15 year old real leather Mercedes Notebook bag made from actual real vehicle leather and you can see where it is all peeling and cracked... I didn't even sit on the stupid thing!!!... Anyway, getting a new bag next week and looking for a high quality synthetic because it will last twice as long and wear better!. The only way I can compare this is if my insurance company offers to upgrade my medication to the latest synthetic drug that lasts longer with less side effects (of course that too would be more expensive!)
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Right here with you in being pleased it is either semi-synthetic or full synthetic leather. On the other hand to insinuate that this is the pleather of the 70s/80s is simply stupid (not your comment).

My Mercedes had Artico Leather and unlike the BMW, that is what most people wanted because it was simply more durable. The fact that the summit is so much closer to real high quality leather in looks, feel and SMELL!! is outstanding. I love the variance in the grains throughout the vehicle and the natural stressing it has in places. Back to the Mercedes world almost all of the best SUVs they have are 90% Artico (their synthetic) including one of my Bosses GL350 Bluetec which is an entirely different price class. The dealers will even tell you only get real leather in a vehicle you will NOT use as a daily driver.

So frankly, I didn't know it was not real leather (but I am happy) and I will probably point out to people that it isn't real but in the positive light. I have had lots of real Leather vehicles and all of them did not wear all that well (I will get in and out of my vehicle a lot in a day). When I finally drove a Mercedes I realized how superior synthetics where.... Anyone who disagrees, I will send you pictures of my 15 year old real leather Mercedes Notebook bag made from actual real vehicle leather and you can see where it is all peeling and cracked... I didn't even sit on the stupid thing!!!... Anyway, getting a new bag next week and looking for a high quality synthetic because it will last twice as long and wear better!. The only way I can compare this is if my insurance company offers to upgrade my medication to the latest synthetic drug that lasts longer with less side effects (of course that too would be more expensive!)
So then are you confirming that it indeed is faux leather?
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Come on guys, who are you going to believe? Jeep, that says the Summit interior is LEATHER in several places on their website, or somebody on this forum that says it's fake based on this highly unprofessional website: Natura Leather Seriously? Prove me wrong. It is LEATHER.
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