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Ive received several requests for a separate forum....and you guys know I like to give the members what they want! So here ya go.....a forum for our new ecodiesel community!

Enjoy!
 
#454 ·
I picked up my white Summit diesel last night. White with brown interior. I'm so far BLOWN AWAY by the engine, testdrove the hemi some time ago and this thing blows it out of the water, the immediate torque, the sound, the smoothness... Even my wife noticed that in passenger seat.

I'll post full review in the review thread, but had no issues during inspection. Fit and finish was great, none of the misalignment issues that some other people mentioned.

Only three minor things:
- Urea tank was only half full and dealer had no Urea on hand... They ordered it and will top off
- I noticed the headlights fog a little, but I guess this is normal?
- When I crank up the sound system really loud (like all the way) there's some rattle inside the B pillar on drivers side. Dealer said they will check it and fix, but I'll wait till the oil change

Loving this thing so far :D
 

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#455 ·
I was just wondering what people are using on the natura plus leather? From what I can gather it is engineered leather? My 2006 commander had the saddle brown leather and the bolster started cracking after the first year (I was PISSED).. I do not want a reoccurrence of this!!! especially on a 50K$ car. remember someone posting about the chemical guys, would this product be recommended on the natura, or should I not put anything on it?
 
#457 ·
Do a quick search on here and you'll find a ton of info on the Summit's leather.. We covered that many many moons ago.

Basically it's better than what the lower trims get. Natura plus > Nappa.
 
#478 ·
My anger is really directed toward Jeep, not you.

I did my due diligence.

If, somehow, I missed the truth in advertising disclosure on Jeep.com where they explain their lie about the leather, then by all means I will feel I share some of the blame for being deceived.
Did you? Have you checked the jeep.com web site? They clearly disclose that the Summit has "Natura Plus leather", not genuine leather. Googling "natura leather" will bring you to the product web site on 1st hit, and the 2014 JGC interior page 2nd. I fail to see the deception.
 
#496 ·
Did you? Have you checked the jeep.com web site? They clearly disclose that the Summit has "Natura Plus leather", not genuine leather. Googling "natura leather" will bring you to the product web site on 1st hit, and the 2014 JGC interior page 2nd. I fail to see the deception.
You are wrong, just saying. Exactly how does your link prove that Jeep is disclosing that the Summit doesn't have genuine leather? :confused:
 
#472 ·
Thank you for sharing some optimism.

However, I will be intrinsically unable to avoid correcting people to point out that the material is pleather instead. Also, I will forever be incensed by any film that builds up on the interior windshield; whether or not it is due to the pleather in the Jeep, the pleather will be assigned the blame.

"Hi, this is my $50k vehicle. Like the pleather? Apparently, it's supposed to be so much better & more expensive than actual leather... but they had to trick people into buying it. No, I swear the emperor is *not* naked!"
 
#479 ·
Leather or not, I wish I had it on my Overland! I love the leather in my overland, but durability is certainly desirable, and if it FEELS better, I don't see any substantive reason to complain.
 
#486 ·
I'm curious if anyone has confirmed whether the Natura Plus Leather is the same as the Natura Leather described at Natura Leather ? Everyone seems to assume so, and I guess I have no reason to assume otherwise. Though there was this post:

Overland and summit use real leather.. Most manufactures now (especially in the UK) have to inform the customer whether the leather is real or not, most manufactures say "leather* interior". *atificial leather.

The Overland uses real leather, called Nappa which we all probably already know..

The Summit uses Natura Plus leather, still real leather but a slightly different method is use in it's preparation and manufacturing process. The Natura plus leather is based on and uses the same process as Natura leather. Natura meaning natural, nature etc etc...

This leather uses no chemicals at all in the manufacturing process, only natural ingredients are used, even natural ingredients are used in the tanning process. This is good for people who are allergic to chemicals in leather, so if you are allergic to the chemicals used in leather, the Summit is the car for you. The leather is one of the most breathable types of leather available.

The "Plus" in Natura Plus, just means that the leather has an extended treatment, to make it a more supple and softer leather. Extra treatment is done to make the leather more stable and as durable as other top quality leathers on the market..

So in summery, it's real leather, chemical free, and very soft :)

The reason you'll are not finding anything on google when searching "Natura leather" is because the term "Natura" is not an official name of the leather such as Nappa, Nubuck, Patent etc, etc.. The name "Natura" is a Trademark name given to leather which has undergone this chemical free process, The name "Natura" is a regisered Trademark which belongs to a specific manufacturer.. I explained it the best I could, Hope it makes sense?

To find more info on the leather, you have to search, "chrome free leather "or "chemical free leather" to pull more results..
Which seems to indicate it may be different than what's described at naturaleathers.com. Also, when I searched for posts from those "in the know" (Scottina, Chevy, Milous, Willx, Marlon) I didn't find any definitive answers.

It doesn't really matter to me personally since I have an overland. I'm just mildly curious. Though I don't quite understand the indignation if it is indeed not real leather. If it looks like leather, feels like leather, but has better longevity ... unless you really hate cows, I don't see what the difference is? Leather is not preferred *because* it's leather - it's preferred because of its properties. If there's something that has all the same properties but is even better, then isn't that ... well ... better?

And even more frankly, if there *is* a material that's equal to or better than real leather in every way, but doesn't sacrifice cows, quite honestly that would be my preference.
 
#489 ·
I'm curious if anyone has confirmed whether the Natura Plus Leather is the same as the Natura Leather described at Natura Leather ? Everyone seems to assume so, and I guess I have no reason to assume otherwise. Though there was this post: Which seems to indicate it may be different than what's described at naturaleathers.com. Also, when I searched for posts from those "in the know" (Scottina, Chevy, Milous, Willx, Marlon) I didn't find any definitive answers. It doesn't really matter to me personally since I have an overland. I'm just mildly curious. Though I don't quite understand the indignation if it is indeed not real leather. If it looks like leather, feels like leather, but has better longevity ... unless you really hate cows, I don't see what the difference is? Leather is not preferred *because* it's leather - it's preferred because of its properties. If there's something that has all the same properties but is even better, then isn't that ... well ... better? And even more frankly, if there *is* a material that's equal to or better than real leather in every way, but doesn't sacrifice cows, quite honestly that would be my preference.
I'd like to have a definitive answer from someone I trust (Milous, Willx, Chevy??) only so I know how to care for the material. I purchased a leather cleaner/conditioner from Chemical Guys and need to know if I should only use it on the dash and steering wheel (and maybe gear shifter?), or should I use it on the seats also? If the seats are a synthetic material then I don't want to use a leather care product on it, but rather something intended for that specific material. Thanks in advance.
 
#487 ·
I think it's real leather that has been given an unfortunate marketing name that just happens to coincide with that vinyl producing company but also happens to share its name with a Tuna flavoured cat food. :D

I wonder if the product comes out of this company who not only are a world producer of leather products to various industries including the automotive industry, have a range called Natura but in addition to that, have their laboratory in Italy.

JMT Leather | PRODUCT SEARCH
 
#493 ·
Well now, this "Natura" discussion has really taken a turn, so I did a little Google checking myself.

First, after re-reading Willx's post, I do not believe he was confirming anything about the Summit's material. What he did describe was about the Mercedes' seating product.

Second, if Jeep was using the product described on the naturaleather website (the imitation leather, if you will), I would think they'd have to use the "TM" mark to denote it as a registered, trade marked product name, as it is shown on their site. But Jeep doesn't show it that way.

Next, several other websites were listed right under my Google search naturaleather listing, and they all describe natural leather that is processed in a certain way as 2mad2bad posted. A description on one of the other websites (stadlerleather) I found explained that the processing for their natura leather this way:

"This magnificent leather comes from a 100 + year old company that takes pride in producing the finest leathers in the world. Natura is a naked, vacuum dried leather. It is smooth plated which gives the leather a very nice sheen. We select only the very best Northern European raw materials for the production of this leather. Each dye lot coming through production is tested according to German standards (negotiated between the German Council of Furniture Manufacturers and the German Council of Tanners) Natura is tested like a natural analine leather, and should be treated as such. If the hide should become soiled, clean with a damp cloth using warm water and a very mild soap applied directly to the spot required."

This description seems to be consistent with 2mad2bad's post.

So, until someone does confirm which they are, it seems premature for anyone to get upset about it. Having seen, felt, sat in, and fully inspected a Hemi Summit with the Grand Canyon Brown interior, I will accept it either way. It's an absolutely beautiful material which looks, smells and feels like fine leather. If it is a synthetic product that will last longer than the 16 years of my ZJ'z aftermarket leather seats, I'm good with that. And if it is genuine leather, then I'll just have to try to take better care of them than I did in the past.
 
#494 ·
Correct, I don't know if it is real leather... just saying it doesn't matter to me based on the quality of what I have seen.

Even in vehicles with the highest quality leathers, they mix that with panels of faux leather on seat sides etc.

I was merely stating the fact that I care more about the quality of the product as to weather it actually came from a cow or not.
 
#495 ·
I would imagine CJD would have one hell of a lawsuit on their hands if it was not leather as stated on their website and advertising brochures. They go so far as to saying the headliner is suede "like". They DO NOT say leather "like". The brochure says "Natura Plus leather trimmed-seating". Notice how they do not capitalize leather, a trade name would be capitalized.

Therefore, the definition of leather from Merriam-Webster:
"animal skin that is chemically treated to preserve it and that is used in making clothes, shoes, furniture, etc."

It is leather people. Stop it.... Now :D
 
#497 ·
It is NOT 100% leather. Which, contrary to traditional thinking, is actually a good thing.

As was covered before, the seats are a hybrid design. The higher wear areas are part synthetic (side bolsters specifically), and full genuine leather in other areas.. All the materials used are porous and breathable, and someone explained that caring for the seats is the same as you would on other leather seating. Can't remember who, but someone went to a leather specialist for advice who was well out in front on this.

It's been noted many times over that these seats are superior to full leather seating. Other automakers are moving in the same direction. And are also charging a premium for this style seating. Again, there's a reason why they only come in the lux trim.

If the intent was to cost cut and decieve, wouldn't it make more sense to put the faux stuff in the lower trims and the alleged 'better' (REAL) leather in the Summit? Again, this was covered at length back in initial launch, with many having the same concerns pre-delivery. However, EVERYONE who had similar concerns seem to be very pleased with the seats. Ask any Summit owner which they would prefer, and see what they say..
 
#499 ·
1st weekend in the book.
Took a trip to the cabin for the day with new 14 Eco summit. Have done this drive with 20 different vehicles (suv's/cars/trucks) over 10years.
NEVER have with MPG of 31.2 over 143 miles at 72 mph!!!
What's going to happen when it breaks in??? :)
Positives....
1.great Suv
2. Heated steering wheel is awsome
3. A ton of room for hunting stuff with seat up or down.
4. MILES PER GALLON!
5. Nice ride on hwy
6. Torque is great
7. Touch screen is best I have ever owned
8. Bright head lights
Negatives...
1. We only own one. :)
2. I am nervous reading others reviews on the JGc's that reliability might not be good. We will find out.
3. Nothing else... Will keep updated!

Once you go Eco diesel you never go back!! Great job jeep!
 
#501 ·
Husky X-act mats are a perfect fit in the new Jeep. The Mopar mat in the back is a fair fit, but will suit my needs. Took half the day yesterday moving everything from the old Jeep into the new one. Tough finding places in the new one, as the old one had several cubby spots that the new one lacks. Still getting used to the new Jeep, but am still amazed.
 
#505 ·
Took half the day yesterday moving everything from the old Jeep into the new one. Tough finding places in the new one, as the old one had several cubby spots that the new one lacks.
Don't underestimate the amount of "stuff" you can, um...stuff...around the spare under the deck. ;)
 
#504 ·
First pics of new ride. Hope to be driving home in about an hour. The diesel is so quiet. This is the first one the dealership got it, and some of the guys didn't even know it was a Diesel engine at idle till I told them. I've been wandering around the dealership for almost 4 hours, everybody has been very helpful, letting me get in the way and ask questions.
 

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#509 ·
I ordered the block heater, and it is on my build sheet, however I don't see any cord anywhere in the engine compartment. Exactly where should I be looking? Thx.
 
#510 ·
left side, rear, near where the spot is that you would attach jumper cables. The plug has a cover over it, and is a little hard to see, but it is there on top. Jeep did a nice job on hiding it. Now I am curious as to where people are routing the cord and anchoring it for future plug in. By the way, congrats on the new ride. I ordered everything for the detailing, and am hoping it will be here by early next week, as I am on vacation next week. If it gets here in time, maybe we can get together for a day of detailing. I spent a small fortune at chemical guys, but with what we paid, we should protect them.
 
#511 ·
3 days in and I still get giddy every time I start it! I've put just over 100 miles on it so far and have yet to see the fuel needle move. The warnings I read in JG were a big help: DEF tank level, electrical burning smell, pre-delivery inspection tips.

I only have 2 critiques so far. First, I would like to see both the needle with in-laid digital readout on the speedometer, but you can only have one or the other.

Second, and I could be an ergonomic oddity, but something about the pedal/steering wheel placement has me sitting on the left side of the seat. (Yes, I know this sounds ridiculous). About 2 minutes into every drive I get uncomfortable and have to remind myself to sit in the center of the seat. I'm assuming this is just a transition issue that will go away the same time I stop stepping on the invisible clutch.

Other than that, I absolutely love this thing! Anyone know anything about Thule roof rack adaptors?
 
#514 ·
Is there a Uconnect thread here somewhere? I thought I would try updating the software, as it says my VIN qualifies for an update. Downloaded the Akamai installer, which then should have started a download to my PC but nothing happens. No download. Tried it several times with same result.

Also still can't get phonebook to download to Uconnect from my Galaxy S3. This is a hugely popular phone, but maybe it just doesn't work with this phone. The website lists S4 but not S3. It asks the phone for a "contact request", I hit OK, but nothing happens. It keeps doing this over and over. I may have to just manually put in the 1/2 dozen phones I call frequently.

The other thing I don't like is that every time I start the car and the phone pairs, it starts playing music from the phone even if I had previously turned off the music on the phone. Kind of a nuisance.

You'd think an old IT guy could get this stuff to work. Everything else on the car seems to be working great.
 
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Is there a Uconnect thread here somewhere?
Here is the thread. Willx is the absolute expert on this, so follow his instructions carefully.

Also still can't get phonebook to download to Uconnect from my Galaxy S3.
What version of Android do you run? I'm running Android 4.3.1 and the phonebook is working flawlessly on my Uconnect 13.38.52.
 
#531 ·
Got my SFU in 2 days early! Love everything about it. Only found a couple issues: 1) tailgate isn't flush - but apparently they can't fix it. 2) found a paint bubble above one of the taillights - it will be fixed. 3) drivers door isn't flush - that will also be fixed.

I'll look it over in the daylight tomorrow to see if there are any other issues. Read through the entire manual tonight and learned a lot.

Hope everyone else is enjoying theirs as much as I am mine. Definitely worth the wait! I hope those waiting don't have to wait much longer!
 

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Picked up jeep diesel last night... 14 miles on her and only up to 100 now! Lots to learn but very intuitive... Must be an Apple! Lights do have moisture but they are amazing...auto dim fantastic! Mileage not yet...too much at idle..it is a no no but it just happened. Paired a 4s and a galaxy III (wife is not an apple) with phonebook... Cool! I have owned new suburbans...this is better but missing 3 row and did I say it is a diesel! I am learning to drive with a soft touch..otherwise the girl would launch me into the next county! Lots of power! I found the cord for block heater ...the picture was a big help!

The only item it needs is tow or recovery hooks..I know it is a mall driving Summit but my wife can get stuck on an oil road...oh that's me stuck! LOL

I will report more as I get miles on her...overall I am in love with a Jeep!

If you can't make up your mind as to buy or not...you have wasted too much time...it is great and it is a diesel!
 
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Picked up jeep diesel last night... 14 miles on her and only up to 100 now! Lots to learn but very intuitive... Must be an Apple! Lights do have moisture but they are amazing...auto dim fantastic! Mileage not yet...too much at idle..it is a no no but it just happened. Paired a 4s and a galaxy III (wife is not an apple) with phonebook... Cool! I have owned new suburbans...this is better but missing 3 row and did I say it is a diesel! I am learning to drive with a soft touch..otherwise the girl would launch me into the next county! Lots of power! I found the cord for block heater ...the picture was a big help! The only item it needs is tow or recovery hooks..I know it is a mall driving Summit but my wife can get stuck on an oil road...oh that's me stuck! LOL I will report more as I get miles on her...overall I am in love with a Jeep! If you can't make up your mind as to buy or not...you have wasted too much time...it is great and it is a diesel!
Typical rantings of a new Jeep lover. I can't agree more!! I'm having such a blast just playing with all the technology and customizing everything. I was up at 5am downloading the new Uconnect update and installing it. Oh and did I mention how much fun it is to drive?
 
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