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Old 11-02-2012, 01:00 PM
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Re: Message From Sergio Marchionne Regarding Jeep Production

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I am not telling anybody who to vote for. All I am saying is that the much ballyhooed "lie" was not a lie.

Twice people have posted the clip where the first words out of Romney's mouth are "Today I saw an article that says ..."
Here's the problem: He didn't stop with the quote "I saw an article...". His entire speech that day was BASED on the article. He took this article as FACT.

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They then claim that because he quotes an article that is in error, that he is responsible for the journalism behind the article.
Wrong again. There was no "article" that made this claim about moving all jobs to China. The Bloomberg report never made that claim. Romney "fell for it" by basing his speech on "right-leaning blogs".

"Romney falsely suggested in a speech Thursday that Chrysler was considering moving all Jeep production to China. The statement was apparently based on right-leaning blogs that misinterpreted a Bloomberg News story."

Marchionne: Jeep production not headed to China | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

That, BTW, wasn't the first time Romney switched fact and fiction due to right wing propaganda. It happened to him during the second debate when he was surprised that Obama indeed called the attack in Libya an "act of terror" in the Rose Garden. He fell for his own party's propaganda. That can happen - but it certainly doesn't look presidential.

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Now to answer your question, who is more uninformed? The guy that quotes an article them at is incorrect or the guy that keeps blaming Benghazi on an Internet movie long after he knew that the movie had nothing to do with the attack?
If you quote an incorrect article, you certainly are un- or misinformed. If you blame an attack on something else although you KNEW that the reason was a different one you might be dishonest - but you certainly aren't "uninformed"..

I visited Fox News website today since they seem to be "Benghazi News" lately - and I wasn't surprised that they swept the news from the CIA under the rug:

CIA officials in Libya made key decisions during Benghazi attacks | Reuters

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Old 11-02-2012, 01:04 PM
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Regardless, the point was not that he just said something that was stated incorrectly but he took it and ran with it.
Exactly!
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Re: Message From Sergio Marchionne Regarding Jeep Production

Well, if you read Obama's Rose Garden quote as saying Benghazi was terroristic, and linguistically, that is a big stretch, how then do you get comfortable with his assertion, for the next fortnight, that it was not terror but a misguided mob pissed at a movie?

That Rose Garden speech was well crafted to allow for a terror or non terror in Benghazi spin. Trouble is O went with the no terror spin until the second debate. He then locked himself into a position where Benghazi was terror before it was not terror before it was again terror.

Further, you assert that O was not misinformed but duplicitous. To rephrase your prior query, would you rather vote for someone who has relied on the press, even when the press turns out to be wrong or someone who, using your assumption, knew the facts but decided to misrepresent them to the American people?
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News about Trump's talk in Autoweek.

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Old 11-02-2012, 02:04 PM
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Re: Message From Sergio Marchionne Regarding Jeep Production

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Further, you assert that O was not misinformed but duplicitous. To rephrase your prior query, would you rather vote for someone who has relied on the press, even when the press turns out to be wrong or someone who, using your assumption, knew the facts but decided to misrepresent them to the American people?
Again, Romney didn't rely "on the press". There was no article in the press about Jeep shipping all jobs to China - plain and simple because this claim is flat out false. Such an article doesn't exist and never existed. It was a right-wing blog.

When it comes to Benghazi, I'm going to wait for the result of the investigation. I did not claim that Obama misrepresented anything. It tells me a lot that the Republicans are claiming both at the same time: Obama didn't know what was going on AND he misrepresented the truth. How that is even possible in theory is a mystery to me...

What doesn't surprise he, however, is that Fox News used an "undisclosed source" for their obviously false claims against the Administration.

Honestly, even IF the Administration didn't know right away what happened, just look at what the last Republican Administration did after 9/11:

They started a war in a country that had nothing to do with it and as far as I know, far more than 4 people died due to this "error". Did we find the WMDs yet?
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So you are honestly suggesting that we should vote somebody into office who doesn't know what he's talking about?
We did that in 2008 on the promise of "hope" and "change".

RIght now I'm just hoping for some change in the White House.
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Re: Message From Sergio Marchionne Regarding Jeep Production

The US government has a history of being very secretive in how it goes about its business. It's just more difficult to hide things now with more non-mainstream media reporters and investigators out there as well as ALL OF US THAT GIVE A CRAP trying to be informed. Sometimes we never truly know the 100% truth behind it all but what we do know is that they blatently lie to us all the time, which is more than misleading us. I don't care what party affiliation you have.

Just look at the last few clowns we've had in office.
Bush and his idiot buddies lied about 9/11 & everything after that.
Clinton lied about his affair and countless number of other more important issues that we don't have time to get into.
Obama has lied about the Benghazi deal as well as he's lied to us about alot of his family history (I've heard him give different facts during different speaches as well as his reported facts are simply impossible to have happened) and probably about his birth records.

THEY ARE ALL FULL OF CRAP.
On a side note I'm just shocked that we voted in a guy as President who basically has never worked a day in his life but I guess that plays into the fact that most people have a very poor work ethic these days.

Now, can we move on and get more tidbits about the '14's? Please?
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Now, can we move on and get more tidbits about the '14's? Please?
Well, not in this thread.
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I don't know what Romney said, but his Ad is accurate: VIDEO: Romney is Right About Jeep Production in China | National Legal and Policy Center
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However, without his previous wrong claim, it is pointless.

The production of Jeeps in China for the Chinese market has no negative impact on the economy. Not a single job will be lost here. Why?

If Jeeps for China wouldn't be built in China, they can't compete with the market over there - so building them here is NOT an option.

If you work for Jeep/Chrysler, you understand this fact - the ad is aimed at the uninformed voter.

It certainly is funny that a guy like Romney is making such claims after being responsible for thousands of jobs lost by closing factories in the States and sending the exact same jobs to China. Bain Capital did not expand US-business into China like Jeep does. They simply moved the jobs over there. And HE has a problem with China?

Reminds me of Trump, bashing China and 5 minutes later, praising his high quality ties made in China..
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The underlying issue is that the guy currently attempting to run the country can't and won't do anything to make it less cost effective to have those vehicles built overseas. No tough trade restrictions making them open their market up to us. Nothing more than a few apologies and sending the biggest set of balls in his administration over there to chat.

Unfortunately, that's Hillary Clinton.
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this thread is close to going to the flammables. I hate political threads.
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