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Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

The Germans have responded...and the smug is strong.

Germans quash hacking concerns - motoring.com.au

Red Flag...Bull anyone?

Let the games begin...

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Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Aside from the debate of can we be remotely hacked, vs how likely it is to happen, will anyone here discuss the physical location of the Sprint aircord access?

I most definitely want to disable the aircard. It is my vehicle, I paid for it, and I should have the choice as to whether there is, or is not, an onboard aircard.
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Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

OK, lets face it, our cars are entertainment devices and are going to communicate more and more. The issue is control: automakers and law enforcement are requiring access. There is a possible future where you pass a speed camera doing 2 mph over the limit or shade a red light and the camera shuts your car down.

At the same time there must be prevention of just anyone doing this. The first two Italian Job movies used control of traffic lights as part of the plot. The third will probably just shut enough cars down for gridlock.

Part of the issue is that of the driver's need/right to have control of their car. The second is the liabilty resulting from taking the control of the car away.

Cars today are where PCs were in 1988 when viruses/hackers first became a problem. At least we have the benefit of what has been learned since. What we do not have is a choice, too many want to be able to start their cars and open their garage doors with a cell phone to just "go dark".

Even before computer hacking there was attacks on telephones. The major defense was Caller-ID. Maybe cars need a "Caller-ID" to display on the screen when someone tries to connect and let the driver decide whether to answer. Today it has been seen that an attacker can call via the Internet and have the car answer & respond, and never inform the driver.

Break that chain at any point and the problem goes away. In addition an interlock (firewall) could be created that would block any attempt for a remote entity to communicate directly with the automotive control system. Even LEO access should be blocked at least when the car is moving. Any legislation must include strict accountability for any such action, anything else is just too dangerous for anyone else.

So we have the technology and it really is not that complex. It will require opening up the proprietary systems to security professionals.

Fact is it is not a secret and Security By Obscurity (SBO) is not a factor, any number of tuners and scan tool makers already know how to "adjust" the systems, I've been retuning my cars since the last century, I just have not bothered with my Jeep beyond adding an OBD-II display, have been occupied with other things.

But like I said, for a professional all of this is no big, just not done. Or maybe the new patch fixes everything. Right.

ps it is someone else's problem, I'm retired and my newest car is too dumb to be affected.
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here's my low tech hack fix...

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Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Where is the sprint phone module or card?
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Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

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OK, lets face it, our cars are entertainment devices and are going to communicate more and more. The issue is control: automakers and law enforcement are requiring access. There is a possible future where you pass a speed camera doing 2 mph over the limit or shade a red light and the camera shuts your car down.

At the same time there must be prevention of just anyone doing this. The first two Italian Job movies used control of traffic lights as part of the plot. The third will probably just shut enough cars down for gridlock.

Part of the issue is that of the driver's need/right to have control of their car. The second is the liabilty resulting from taking the control of the car away.

Cars today are where PCs were in 1988 when viruses/hackers first became a problem. At least we have the benefit of what has been learned since. What we do not have is a choice, too many want to be able to start their cars and open their garage doors with a cell phone to just "go dark".

Even before computer hacking there was attacks on telephones. The major defense was Caller-ID. Maybe cars need a "Caller-ID" to display on the screen when someone tries to connect and let the driver decide whether to answer. Today it has been seen that an attacker can call via the Internet and have the car answer & respond, and never inform the driver.

Break that chain at any point and the problem goes away. In addition an interlock (firewall) could be created that would block any attempt for a remote entity to communicate directly with the automotive control system. Even LEO access should be blocked at least when the car is moving. Any legislation must include strict accountability for any such action, anything else is just too dangerous for anyone else.

So we have the technology and it really is not that complex. It will require opening up the proprietary systems to security professionals.

Fact is it is not a secret and Security By Obscurity (SBO) is not a factor, any number of tuners and scan tool makers already know how to "adjust" the systems, I've been retuning my cars since the last century, I just have not bothered with my Jeep beyond adding an OBD-II display, have been occupied with other things.

But like I said, for a professional all of this is no big, just not done. Or maybe the new patch fixes everything. Right.

ps it is someone else's problem, I'm retired and my newest car is too dumb to be affected.




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Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

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This is issue is getting a ton of media exposure.
Wired Jeep hack: Don't let stunt storytelling eclipse the message - Fortune
I'd have to agree, doing this on a public anything was egregiously stupid--but not at all untypical for Wired stunts.

The actual hack could have been demonstrated on any private venue.
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Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

another interesting article regarding the hack ...

Hacked Jeep Cherokee -- FCA reveals more details - Fortune
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:00 PM
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The ability to scan the sprint network for uconnect systems and get VIN, Model and GPS data is a worry, that doesn't seem to require any changes to the system firmware. I'd hope they are fixing that too.
Exactly my biggest concern. I feel the media has missed this part of the hack. I'd like to call for a public statement from Sprint.
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US Senators are getting involved. Great. We're all safe now.
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Have been secure cell phones in the US for over a decade, see "Cryptoberry". Not hard just not done.
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Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Called the local dealership and the service rep was less informed than me!

Here's an article that is more detailed than most I've seen. I'm gonna wait for Fiat to send me a drive instead of using one of mine.

Fiat Chrysler: 1.4 million cars recalled, hacking concerns cited | BGR
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