Scary - Jeep Hacked! - Page 6 - Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum

Go Back   Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum > Site Information > Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat news, spy shots and more!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
  #61  
Old 07-23-2015, 02:30 AM
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NSW Australia
Posts: 1,473
Thanks: 276
Thanked 290 Times in 222 Posts
Rep Power: 19627
SJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond reputeSJandL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

The Germans have responded...and the smug is strong.

Germans quash hacking concerns - motoring.com.au

Red Flag...Bull anyone?

Let the games begin...

__________________
'07 WK Limited 5.7 Hemi (Sold)
'14 WK2 Overland CRD - ORAII
'15 KL Limited CRD - ADII, Tech Group, Electronics Group and Pano.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #62  
Old 07-23-2015, 08:49 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 58
Thanks: 17
Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 11377
CaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond reputeCaptWill has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Aside from the debate of can we be remotely hacked, vs how likely it is to happen, will anyone here discuss the physical location of the Sprint aircord access?

I most definitely want to disable the aircard. It is my vehicle, I paid for it, and I should have the choice as to whether there is, or is not, an onboard aircard.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CaptWill For This Useful Post:
  #63  
Old 07-23-2015, 09:01 AM
padgett's Avatar
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,883
Thanks: 0
Thanked 60 Times in 55 Posts
Rep Power: 82514
padgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

OK, lets face it, our cars are entertainment devices and are going to communicate more and more. The issue is control: automakers and law enforcement are requiring access. There is a possible future where you pass a speed camera doing 2 mph over the limit or shade a red light and the camera shuts your car down.

At the same time there must be prevention of just anyone doing this. The first two Italian Job movies used control of traffic lights as part of the plot. The third will probably just shut enough cars down for gridlock.

Part of the issue is that of the driver's need/right to have control of their car. The second is the liabilty resulting from taking the control of the car away.

Cars today are where PCs were in 1988 when viruses/hackers first became a problem. At least we have the benefit of what has been learned since. What we do not have is a choice, too many want to be able to start their cars and open their garage doors with a cell phone to just "go dark".

Even before computer hacking there was attacks on telephones. The major defense was Caller-ID. Maybe cars need a "Caller-ID" to display on the screen when someone tries to connect and let the driver decide whether to answer. Today it has been seen that an attacker can call via the Internet and have the car answer & respond, and never inform the driver.

Break that chain at any point and the problem goes away. In addition an interlock (firewall) could be created that would block any attempt for a remote entity to communicate directly with the automotive control system. Even LEO access should be blocked at least when the car is moving. Any legislation must include strict accountability for any such action, anything else is just too dangerous for anyone else.

So we have the technology and it really is not that complex. It will require opening up the proprietary systems to security professionals.

Fact is it is not a secret and Security By Obscurity (SBO) is not a factor, any number of tuners and scan tool makers already know how to "adjust" the systems, I've been retuning my cars since the last century, I just have not bothered with my Jeep beyond adding an OBD-II display, have been occupied with other things.

But like I said, for a professional all of this is no big, just not done. Or maybe the new patch fixes everything. Right.

ps it is someone else's problem, I'm retired and my newest car is too dumb to be affected.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to padgett For This Useful Post:
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #64  
Old 07-23-2015, 11:46 AM
JamesAMW's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2014 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: South Florida
Posts: 13
Thanks: 8
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 1544726
JamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond reputeJamesAMW has a reputation beyond repute
Garage
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

here's my low tech hack fix...

tin foil SUV.jpg
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to JamesAMW For This Useful Post:
  #65  
Old 07-23-2015, 01:15 PM
FStephenMasek's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 282
Thanks: 3
Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 1876
FStephenMasek is on a distinguished road
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Where is the sprint phone module or card?
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 07-23-2015, 02:07 PM
Jimbo866's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2014 3.6L
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: NC
Posts: 37
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 1180
Jimbo866 is on a distinguished road
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Quote:
Originally Posted by padgett View Post
OK, lets face it, our cars are entertainment devices and are going to communicate more and more. The issue is control: automakers and law enforcement are requiring access. There is a possible future where you pass a speed camera doing 2 mph over the limit or shade a red light and the camera shuts your car down.

At the same time there must be prevention of just anyone doing this. The first two Italian Job movies used control of traffic lights as part of the plot. The third will probably just shut enough cars down for gridlock.

Part of the issue is that of the driver's need/right to have control of their car. The second is the liabilty resulting from taking the control of the car away.

Cars today are where PCs were in 1988 when viruses/hackers first became a problem. At least we have the benefit of what has been learned since. What we do not have is a choice, too many want to be able to start their cars and open their garage doors with a cell phone to just "go dark".

Even before computer hacking there was attacks on telephones. The major defense was Caller-ID. Maybe cars need a "Caller-ID" to display on the screen when someone tries to connect and let the driver decide whether to answer. Today it has been seen that an attacker can call via the Internet and have the car answer & respond, and never inform the driver.

Break that chain at any point and the problem goes away. In addition an interlock (firewall) could be created that would block any attempt for a remote entity to communicate directly with the automotive control system. Even LEO access should be blocked at least when the car is moving. Any legislation must include strict accountability for any such action, anything else is just too dangerous for anyone else.

So we have the technology and it really is not that complex. It will require opening up the proprietary systems to security professionals.

Fact is it is not a secret and Security By Obscurity (SBO) is not a factor, any number of tuners and scan tool makers already know how to "adjust" the systems, I've been retuning my cars since the last century, I just have not bothered with my Jeep beyond adding an OBD-II display, have been occupied with other things.

But like I said, for a professional all of this is no big, just not done. Or maybe the new patch fixes everything. Right.

ps it is someone else's problem, I'm retired and my newest car is too dumb to be affected.




Sent from my iPhone using JeepGarage
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 07-23-2015, 02:22 PM
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2014 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,117
Thanks: 74
Thanked 295 Times in 259 Posts
Rep Power: 46567
lstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond reputelstowell has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cbones View Post
This is issue is getting a ton of media exposure.
Wired Jeep hack: Don't let stunt storytelling eclipse the message - Fortune
I'd have to agree, doing this on a public anything was egregiously stupid--but not at all untypical for Wired stunts.

The actual hack could have been demonstrated on any private venue.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 07-23-2015, 04:17 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 36
Thanks: 2
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 2287
Cbones is on a distinguished road
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

another interesting article regarding the hack ...

Hacked Jeep Cherokee -- FCA reveals more details - Fortune
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 07-23-2015, 10:00 PM
ratkins's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2012 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: northern IL
Posts: 45
Thanks: 10
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Rep Power: 1382
ratkins is on a distinguished road
Garage
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn0 View Post

The ability to scan the sprint network for uconnect systems and get VIN, Model and GPS data is a worry, that doesn't seem to require any changes to the system firmware. I'd hope they are fixing that too.
Exactly my biggest concern. I feel the media has missed this part of the hack. I'd like to call for a public statement from Sprint.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 07-24-2015, 07:04 AM
echo7tango's Avatar
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2016 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: SF Giants Nation 2010 / 2012 / 2014!
Posts: 1,147
Thanks: 179
Thanked 267 Times in 186 Posts
Rep Power: 70021
echo7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Quote:
Originally Posted by SJandL View Post
The Germans have responded...and the smug is strong.

Germans quash hacking concerns - motoring.com.au
US Senators are getting involved. Great. We're all safe now.
__________________
★ 2016 JGC CRD 3.0L V-6 WK2, QL, QD-II, ORA-II, Wrangler Duratrac 275/55-20 ★
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to echo7tango For This Useful Post:
  #71  
Old 07-24-2015, 09:38 AM
padgett's Avatar
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,883
Thanks: 0
Thanked 60 Times in 55 Posts
Rep Power: 82514
padgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond reputepadgett has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Have been secure cell phones in the US for over a decade, see "Cryptoberry". Not hard just not done.
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 07-24-2015, 01:11 PM
MasterPayne's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 93
Thanks: 9
Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 1009
MasterPayne is on a distinguished road
Garage
Re: Scary - Jeep Hacked!

Called the local dealership and the service rep was less informed than me!

Here's an article that is more detailed than most I've seen. I'm gonna wait for Fiat to send me a drive instead of using one of mine.

Fiat Chrysler: 1.4 million cars recalled, hacking concerns cited | BGR
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MasterPayne For This Useful Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Jeep Twitter account hacked CLowe40 Grand Cherokee - WK2 - 5 02-19-2013 09:55 PM
Scary Jeep Moment 06GCLDK Grand Cherokee - WK 11 04-25-2012 02:25 PM
Scary sounding codes, PLEASE translate and advise! Kaliber35 Grand Cherokee - WK 9 04-20-2010 07:32 PM

» Premium Vendor Showcase
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 - JeepGarage.Org
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Owners Community

JeepGarage.org is in no way associated with or endorsed by FCA US LLC. Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Mopar and SRT are registered trademarks of FCA US LLC.