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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

Hopefully none of the other cars being sold come to this....

On another note, hopefully getting a VON number from the dealer this week to track it - seems to still be a mid September delivery, and just shoring up our finance side....I want it now !!!

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Lemon law does exist in Australia as of 1st January 2011. A definition of a lemon is
Vehicle less than 2 years old or 40,000 km (which ever comes first) which hasn't been repaired within 3 attempts (except in the case of significant safety defects, which require only one attempt), or has 10 days cumulative days out of service.
It's 3rd time my car is in with 20 days at the dealership out of approx 1 month (so that is a qualifier already). Not sure if a new transmission replacement is a safety defect, but I think I have a good case here. Will be discussing with my lawyers on Monday

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Good luck trying to claim. I know ours has been off the road a number of times longer than 10 days, once for 33 days.
My brother tried the lemon laws in NSW when his golf required 4 gearbox replacements in 6 months, and 1 engine replacement, and all he got was the dept. Of fair trading working with the dealer to get his car back on the road.
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Tow Group - Standard or Accessory & Does it change the way it drives ?

We have a Cherry Red Limited coming over on the boat -and the product list our dealer has sent us (with VIN, etc) indicates it has AHT - Tow Group also included....

As I'm still struggling to understand the Jeep spec brochure (which has an "A" next to it) - is that standard on Longitude up ?

Does the Tow Group change the way it drives (not that we'll be towing anytime soon) ? I know it has a different final drive ratio of 3.517 (not sure what that means in layman's terms).
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Re: Tow Group - Standard or Accessory & Does it change the way it drives ?

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Does the Tow Group change the way it drives (not that we'll be towing anytime soon) ? I know it has a different final drive ratio of 3.517 (not sure what that means in layman's terms).
The higher final drive ratio (e.g. 3.2L engine: 3.517 w/ Tow Group versus 3.251 without Tow Group) means that for a given gear at a given speed, the engine will be reving 8% higher (3.517/3.251 = 108%) with the tow package. For example: 1800 RPM without the tow package becomes 1950 RPM with the tow package. The higher reving puts the engine in a higher place on the torque/horsepower curve to help deal with the extra towing weight/strain. I suspect there's a marginal loss in overall MPG with the higher FDR, but I'm not sure if it's material or not.

I hope this helps.

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Old 08-16-2014, 10:53 AM
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The higher final drive ratio (e.g. 3.2L engine: 3.517 w/ Tow Group versus 3.251 without Tow Group) means that for a given gear at a given speed, the engine will be reving 8% higher (3.517/3.251 = 108%) with the tow package. For example: 1800 RPM without the tow package becomes 1950 RPM with the tow package. The higher reving puts the engine in a higher place on the torque/horsepower curve to help deal with the extra towing weight/strain. I suspect there's a marginal loss in overall MPG with the higher FDR, but I'm not sure if it's material or not.



I hope this helps.



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Understood. However, whilst the lower final drive will help on launch and getting up to speed, it's probably not necessary at cruise. So, it's possible that the shift point mapping on tow package cars is different to those without the package. To put it another way, you may find you are reaching 9th gear at 80mph, rather than 85mph. It would be interesting to compare between the two vehicles the mph/1000rpm at various speeds. We have a V6 Limited with tow and, if I recall correctly, it's doing about 1,700 rpm at 70 mph.

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Re: Tow Group - Standard or Accessory & Does it change the way it drives ?

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We have a Cherry Red Limited coming over on the boat -and the product list our dealer has sent us (with VIN, etc) indicates it has AHT - Tow Group also included....

As I'm still struggling to understand the Jeep spec brochure (which has an "A" next to it) - is that standard on Longitude up ?

Does the Tow Group change the way it drives (not that we'll be towing anytime soon) ? I know it has a different final drive ratio of 3.517 (not sure what that means in layman's terms).
Looking at the Aust. Specifications Sheet the "Trailer Tow Group (AHT)" comes standard with the Longitude, therefore the Limited gets it as standard equipment also.

The (AHT) Trailer tow Group comes with 180 Amp Alternator, 3.517 Final Drive Ratio, Heavy Duty Engine Cooling and Trailer Tow Wiring Harness.

However it does not come with a Tow Bar, Tounge or Tow Ball. You have to get that equipment fitted once the vehicle arrives in Australia either by the Dealer or at a place that specifically installs Tow Bars (Hitch). So the Longitude and Limited models comes fitted for, but not with.

This was confirmed by our Sales-guy at Bayford Jeep upon ordering, hence why we have added the Hitch (Tow Bar, Tongue & Tow Ball) to our order, which was a no-cost option.
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We have a Cherry Red Limited coming over on the boat....
That's good news Paul

Can you confirm if your Cherokee is a MY14 or MY15? The build for the 2015 model commenced on 21 July.
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Understood. However, whilst the lower final drive will help on launch and getting up to speed.............


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I think you meant the higher final drive ratio of the tow package will help launch the weighty combo.

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I think you meant the higher final drive ratio of the tow package will help launch the weighty combo.



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Actually, I meant the lower final drive gear. The numerically higher ratio = lower gear. Sorry about the semantics.


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That's good news Paul

Can you confirm if your Cherokee is a MY14 or MY15? The build for the 2015 model commenced on 21 July.
I'm pretty certain it's a MY14 as it's production date was 24 June - it's currently between Panama and French Polynesia (helps to have the VIN and the tracking website via Milous !).

As far as I understand the MY15 that the US is getting won't filter through to us for quite a while as it's just been released here, and that the exports will stay MY15 - I might be totally wrong, and would be interesting to see what future buyers end up getting.

Well that's interesting about the tow - but how did you get the towbar/tongue as no-cost option ? They'd be about $800-1000 wouldn't they ?
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Well that's interesting about the tow - but how did you get the towbar/tongue as no-cost option ? They'd be about $800-1000 wouldn't they ?
I don't know to tell you the truth. I was prepared and expecting to pay for that and the Technology and Electronics Groups and the Pano Sunroof too, but Bayford Jeep threw them all in at no charge.

It was the last day of the month when I ordered so maybe the sales-guy needed to lift his sales quota before month end. Plus we had a great trade in (Optioned up 2010 BMW with very low kms) that I'm sure they would've made a nice profit on reselling.
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I don't know to tell you the truth. I was prepared and expecting to pay for that and the Technology and Electronics Groups and the Pano Sunroof too, but Bayford Jeep threw them all in at no charge.

It was the last day of the month when I ordered so maybe the sales-guy needed to lift his sales quota before month end. Plus we had a great trade in (Optioned up 2010 BMW with very low kms) that I'm sure they would've made a nice profit on reselling.
Interesting - we bought towards the end of July and not sure how much incentive there was - I guess because they have a car already purchased and on it's way they could move a bit on it - but again your trade car probably helped the cause because they could resell it at quite a lot more than ours and allow for the extras.

You planning on doing much towing ?
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