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Re: Tow Group - Standard or Accessory & Does it change the way it drives ?

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You planning on doing much towing ?
Not initially, maybe just 4x7 trailer towing to the tip, but I'm keen to get one of those Camper Trailers within the next 12 months.

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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

Ok so I have the Cherry Red Trailhawk with the tech pack, adaptive cruise etc.
I bought at the end of June (city jeep Melbourne)
Those who see a Cherry Red on the Monash, that's probably me as I've never seen another TH on the road yet.

1600klms on the clock and the only things that annoy me with the car are the varying fuel consumption currently 11.8/100 overall and the centre seat is small for a baby seat (overlaps the buckles for the other seats).
The cabin is classy, quiet, refined and well appointed, the GPS does not accept voice control for our region though. The engine is responsive and powerful and if you sink in the boot you can hear a bit of a gurgle from the tailpipes (not much but a little).

lane departure warning is good and really doesnt override the drivers intentions, adaptive cruise on the other hand will hit the anchors if someone cuts your lane or even if the lane splits into two and the car in front drifts off but brakes, it is not able to for example decelerate but not brake, if it sees the car in front slowing it will brake whereas a human driver may calculate that the distance between leaves room for a coast before braking.
I think it suits highway and freeway use but probably not local roads (I've tried them all).
It is great on the Monash where the traffic will vary between standstill and 100klms/h and will slow to 20klms/h about every 3-5klms. The emergency collision detection is also great and will actually hit the skids if your reactions are too slow, my feeling is that this technology is still green and it has a tendency to overreact (like the adaptive cruise) and err on the side of caution. That said, great feature set and a really comfy car to drive.
Remote start is good but without a proximity key I still have to stick the key in the ignition even though the engine is running.

My feeling is though that for the top of the range that most of these features shouldn't be an optional extra but standard.

Love the trailhawk, hate the poor economy. Highway is ok, most of my driving is mixed urban and it's really poor to get high 11's for that sort of driving, full urban is really poor getting mid 12's.

The car is still new and 1600klms is still not a high milage, it's still dropping and will go lower but even with a fresh tank yesterday I can see with 2 trips on the Monash and a bit of local driving i'm in the high 10's already.
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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

But overall - do you like it?
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But overall - do you like it?


I love it

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I love it

Jealous.

**sigh** Still in D1.
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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

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Jealous.

**sigh** Still in D1.

I probably got one of the first Trailhawks in Melbourne, haven't seen another anywhere.... sheer coincidence really, I wanted the Limited in Red and couldn't wait as my rego was expiring on the Kia so I took the TH which was arriving the same week... for a few extra $$$ purchase price it's probably worth more resale than the Limited due to the offroad extra's.

I wonder if the extra 130kgs affects my economy in any real terms.
There is less cabin noise from the 17" tyres I think.
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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

Interesting observations sFlattop....

I don't travel the Monash very much (I'm more of an Eastern guy !) but I'll keep an eye out - hopefully in about 3 weeks we'll join the ranks with our red Limited....

I know going into it that the fuel economy isn't great (unless you get a turbo petrol or diesel smaller car) - I would think maybe the extra 130kg might contribute somewhat.

I'm looking forward to the safety features, and I did actually read about someone who had ACC on whilst driving on a normal road, someone decided to do an illegal U-turn, and being the 2nd car in the queue, the car almost shot forward because it had nothing to mitigate it - and the light was still red !

I get the feeling it's a good support system, not a replacement system. Also heard it's best to turn off all those features first, then introducing them one by one as you get used to them over time. Shame about the GPS/voice command - I can only assume it'll be a firmware update that will fix that....are you on the latest version sF ?

Looking forward to remote start (we're getting the tech pack with keyless entry/start) for colder mornings or even just leaving somewhere and having the car going before I get to it.

We swapped the personalised plates from our old (well still current) car for ordinary ones, as the personalised go on the Jeep when it comes (same red as the car), so it's feeling more real, and I'm finding I'm wanting all these features/luxury NOW !
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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

Here's something interesting (well I thought it was), but do you know that you cannot order a TH in the UK and further to that, you cannot order a petrol engine. Only diesel on offer.

Go to their website: - Jeep.co.uk and configure yourself a vehicle.

No petrol - no TH. Their Longitude I think is our Sport and their Longitude + is our Longitude. The Limited the same.

Am I reading that site wrong?

Just killing time here obviously.
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Here's something interesting (well I thought it was), but do you know that you cannot order a TH in the UK and further to that, you cannot order a petrol engine. Only diesel on offer.
And in the US you can choose 2WD and 4WD, and there's so many different things you can option/de-option, particularly on the MY15's - but export vehicles I guess miss out.
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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

Who makes these decisions and based on what I wonder?
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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

Not sure about my firmware version but the car was delivered and prepped in a day so I would think that I am on the base version. First service will take me 6 months to accumulate the klms but I may enquire with the dealer over Xmas and see if i can get it flashed.

As for the safety features they are mostly "driver assist" features. I read an article in the IEEE that speaks about "suggestive" safety as being the first step on the road to being driverless and "corrective" being the next. The Jeep has some of both classes.
Lane departure warning just nudges the wheel, it does actively steer but it's a gentle correction, not a directive or hard turn, just a prompting.
Adaptive cruise does not mean "driver goes to sleep" it actually takes more interaction than normal cruise which is on or off.
I use it with my thumb on the cancel and finger on resume buttons so I can prevent the car braking if it just needs to coast, and yes I've had a similar red light instance but really you need to be awake to what your car does.

Emergency braking is an "in your face" flashing lights and buzzer with a big
"iBrake!!!!" sign flashing up on the middle of the dash between speedo and tacho and if you don't brake it will.
My experience with this is that It is oversensitive ( Or i'm a tailgater) as this has come on at least 5 -10 times in the last months and mostly I think prematurely, its would be nice to have a 2 stage warning as the first time it happens you crap yourself from the surprise that the car is doing such direct action alone. That said, I think it's a great feature and it will stop you running into someone in front but may gain you a tail end crash as the person behind would anticipate your brake distance maybe longer than what your car allows for.

The car feels smooth and refined and just has a different character than the older cars that we are used to, in some respects you are managing the system rather than driving it. Of course you can turn it all off and then it's just a smooth V6 with a nice note (although it could be louder) strangely it doesn't seem that quick off the mark and yet it does seem to leave a lot of cars behind.
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Re: Australian MY14 KL Cherokee thread

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Who makes these decisions and based on what I wonder?
Don't know, but whoever it was that decided you couldn't get a Mango Tango Limited needs their head read !
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