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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Hellcat

Those people arent the market for the trackhawk Jeep obviously. Not sure what that has to do with the topic. Also this will be more limited production than the base SRT.

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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Hellcat

Curious to know if the ZF transmission can handle that much power.


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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Hellcat

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The Hellcat might be faster in a straight line.

But the RR Sport SVR and Porsche Cayenne will probably handle turns & curves better.

And both will also have much better Off Road ability then the Hellcat. Not that folks buying an SUV care about stuff like that.
You forgot to throw the X5/6M in there too.

I'd bet the farm the Hellcat will be significantly faster than all its competition. Just look at the guys with superchargers on their '14/15 SRT's already running 0-60 in the mid 3's.

None of these SUV's are built for anything resembling off-road, so no, you can't say one will be better in the dirt than the other. At least Jeep has a snow mode with variable torque split.

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There is also the fact the engine is supercharged on this beast. A lot of people don't want to deal with a supercharged engine for an everyday driver, and or a long distance tower or hauler. They aren't all that practical for that purpose, and are extremely complex and expensive. For many of these people, they're more than willing to "settle for" a standard SRT with it's measly 470 H.P. and 465 Ft. pounds of torque, because it's far more practical.

And you can't help but wonder just how many Jeep dealers will have people who are competent enough to work on them, should any major problems arise? It's a car that many smaller Jeep dealers will rarely, if ever see, and sell even fewer of. Making it's customers somewhat high priced "Guinea Pigs".

This car will be reserved for the wealthier Jay Leno types with money to burn, who simply must have the biggest and most powerful, with the most. And going by today's current economic conditions, that won't be all that many. Then of course, there are those people who will prefer the 707 H.P. Hellcat engine in something a little more performance oriented in the handling department, like the Challenger or Charger. That takes another slice out of potential Trackhawk buyers.
Dude, nobody in the market for a vehicle like this will look at it and say "oh, I don't want to drive a supercharged Jeep". Keep in mind all the supercharged Range Rovers on the road at the same price point or higher, plus the other competitors that are turbocharged. I daily drove 2 (aftermarket) supercharged cars in my day with no issues.

You are making terrible generalizations here that make zero sense.

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They'll sell. It just won't be by the boatload. What percentage of people in the market for a SUV are willing to spend almost $100K on one in a troubled economy? Over half of the people in this country can't afford the homes they're presently living in.

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Of course they won't sell by the boatload because it's a niche vehicle. But I see multiple $80k+ SUV's every single day. Supercharged Range Rovers are almost the norm around the DC area. Just saw an X6M earlier this week. And I have a Porsche dealership less than a mile from my house and the lot is stocked with $100k Cayennes.

Remember, the economy isn't hurting everyone. Some of us don't live out in the boonies.
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And I have a Porsche dealership less than a mile from my house and the lot is stocked with $100k Cayennes.
And that's because they're selling like hotcakes.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Hellcat

How Many Dodge Challenger Hellcats Have Been Sold?

A total of only 5,000 Dodge Hellcats have been sold, (ordered). While that may seem like a lot, it's a drop in the bucket in the automotive world. I rarely see any SRT Jeeps around here compared to "regular" Grand Cherokees. I have yet to see a Hellcat anywhere. I bought my Grand Cherokee from one of the larger Chrysler Jeep dealers in the Phoenix metro area. At the time they had over 65 Grand Cherokee's in stock. Not one SRT. Now they have a couple, but they're 2015's.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Hellcat

Careful Dcorn, you're feeding a troll...


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Curious to know if the ZF transmission can handle that much power.


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It will get the ZF 8HP90 not the ZF 8HP70 that the current SRT, 5.7 and Diesel get. 8HP90 and 8HP70 are both manufactured by ZF, the 845RE in the v6 is manufactured by Chrysler.
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Curious to know if the ZF transmission can handle that much power.

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The Hell Kitty puts put 650 ftlbs of torque and has the ZF 8HP90 which is rated at 664 ftlbs so I am thinking that is their starting point with the trans...fwiw, I believe it was the diffs that were mentioned as the concern not the trans, just speculating on thin info.
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It will get the ZF 8HP90 not the ZF 8HP70 that the current SRT, 5.7 and Diesel get. 8HP90 and 8HP70 are both manufactured by ZF, the 845RE in the v6 is manufactured by Chrysler.
From the info i know right now I wouldn't bet the farm it gets the 8hp90.
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Theres a new ZF 8 speed
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Hellcat

bilt, what's interesting about that article you linked to is that they sold 41xx of the Challenger Hellcats at the time it was written but said that dealers claim to have orders for more than 5000. I seem to remember that Chrysler was taken aback at just how many enthusiasts (what the market is for this kind of thing) really wanted them and underestimated demand. It is, after all, a "limited production edition/trim". There is a certain demographic that will go for these kind of vehicles and that holds true for the JGC. It will be interesting to see what the response is once they are actually available to order and sell. They are not for you and me, but that's ok because there are other JGCs that fill more mainstream needs and desires.

The other thing that occurs to me is that it may not be a good thing to think of the JGC HellCat as an "SUV" in the traditional sense. Yea, it's on that platform and body style, but it's certainly not a mall-crawler, commuting chariot or off-road powerhouse. It's aimed at one thing... something similar to a rocketship, but moving horizontally.
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From the info i know right now I wouldn't bet the farm it gets the 8hp90.
Really, nice, I read about the 2nd gen 8HP75 do you think it will be a 2nd gen 8HP95 or something like that?
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