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Very cool. Well, I contacted my friend in the auto biz yesterday about getting me into a GJC, and he hopes to do so by the end of the week. We will see.

I noticed abnormal tire wear due to alignment that I caught a bit late on my Z. It was fine until now, but now normal wear has exacerbated the issue. I refuse to put a new set of Pilot Super Sports on it when I'm dumping it this summer, anyway.
then it sounds like the Z34 platform is very picky about setup. good to here you'll be in a GC, its a great ride

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then it sounds like the Z34 platform is very picky about setup. good to here you'll be in a GC, its a great ride
Yeah, I was not pleased. Also, yes, I do drive the car the way it was intended (not hooning around at stoplights ALL the time and I have literally never done a burn-out in it, or my Z06. Corners...corners.). My fronts and rears wear out at the same time, and they cannot be rotated.

Anyway, me actually taking it into the corners has worn the shoulders of the tread a bit, as intended, but the abnormal wear caused by the alignment has made this an issue. I could get another oil-change out of the tires if not for that, but inspection is due, and I know noone would pass a sports car with even a shred of white cord showing, and I don't like it either. It's time to replace the tires or dump it. I'm dumping it.

Anyway, another question, somewhat improper forum for it that this may be (as it's obviously a bunch of Jeep fans), but...


...is there anything else that I should look at in the $18-22K range based on what I have expressed as my desires in a vehicle?
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Yeah, I was not pleased. Also, yes, I do drive the car the way it was intended (not hooning around at stoplights ALL the time and I have literally never done a burn-out in it, or my Z06. Corners...corners.). My fronts and rears wear out at the same time, and they cannot be rotated.

Anyway, me actually taking it into the corners has worn the shoulders of the tread a bit, as intended, but the abnormal wear caused by the alignment has made this an issue. I could get another oil-change out of the tires if not for that, but inspection is due, and I know noone would pass a sports car with even a shred of white cord showing, and I don't like it either. It's time to replace the tires or dump it. I'm dumping it.

Anyway, another question, somewhat improper forum for it that this may be (as it's obviously a bunch of Jeep fans), but...


...is there anything else that I should look at in the $18-22K range based on what I have expressed as my desires in a vehicle?
well as "improper" lol as it is, for what you are looking for you probably cant go wrong with a 06-09 ram hemi with 4 door or a vortec max powered Silverado from the same year range. both 4x4 and 4 door so you can haul people and gear. I wouldn't worry about it tho, we are all car ppl here, at least we are lol
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well as "improper" lol as it is, for what you are looking for you probably cant go wrong with a 06-09 ram hemi with 4 door or a vortec max powered Silverado from the same year range. both 4x4 and 4 door so you can haul people and gear. I wouldn't worry about it tho, we are all car ppl here, at least we are lol
I should have specified that I don't want a truck. I don't have a good technical reason for this, I would just prefer an SUV.
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I should have specified that I don't want a truck. I don't have a good technical reason for this, I would just prefer an SUV.
Well in that case, mmm, that's a little more tougher but... an older model Durango 03, 05-07 hemi. (personally I think 03 was best year) as much as I hate to say it, a ford edge from the mid 2000's 07-09 or so, my cousin has one and its actually nice inside. (I AM NOT A FORD GUY AT ALL) gms suv's are too big and the smaller ones don't have what your looking for. theres the jeep commander, it is a little bigger. id stay away from the liberty tho. to many issues there despite me having the same motor (it's been flawless, just under powered).
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Well in that case, mmm, that's a little more tougher but... an older model Durango 03, 05-07 hemi. (personally I think 03 was best year) as much as I hate to say it, a ford edge from the mid 2000's 07-09 or so, my cousin has one and its actually nice inside. (I AM NOT A FORD GUY AT ALL) gms suv's are too big and the smaller ones don't have what your looking for. theres the jeep commander, it is a little bigger. id stay away from the liberty tho. to many issues there despite me having the same motor (it's been flawless, just under powered).
That's pretty much what I came up with.

I know zip about 4WD vehicles, though.

Jeep has a billion 4WD systems. The Quadra Trac II comes with the vehicles I am looking at, with the Quadra Drive II being optional.

I get that the Drive offers mo betta traction, but do both of these systems function "all the time", just not in "low"?

I mean, if I am driving along, and come to a steep snowy incline where 4WD would be nice, do I just continue up it, or must I stop and engage 4WD if I want all 4 tires working? Is it engage on the fly, I can do it rolling at very low speeds for 4Lo if I am taking it off road through some mud or something? I know zip about it :/

I did go to the website. Looks like the Quadra Trac II is "forget its there"?
http://www.jeep.com/en/4x4/#QuadraDrive2*QuadraTrac2*

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That's pretty much what I came up with.

I know zip about 4WD vehicles, though.

Jeep has a billion 4WD systems. The Quadra Trac II comes with the vehicles I am looking at, with the Quadra Drive II being optional.

I get that the Drive offers mo betta traction, but do both of these systems function "all the time", just not in "low"?

I mean, if I am driving along, and come to a steep snowy incline where 4WD would be nice, do I just continue up it, or must I stop and engage 4WD if I want all 4 tires working? Is it engage on the fly, I can do it rolling at very low speeds for 4Lo if I am taking it off road through some mud or something? I know zip about it :/
I think one is AWD and the other is 4x4 with four low. not sure but, I think someone with a 4x4 would better answer your question. I think the 4x4lo you have to be stopped (don't quote me) but I think its shift on the fly to go into 4hi
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With QD 2 you just go all the time, no 4WD mode to put it in. It's been a while since I really looked into QD 2 but my first WJ had QD and if I remember correctly it would drive in rwd only unless a difference in rotation occurred between front and rear tires. This difference would cause hydraulic pressure to accumulate quickly and engage a clutch pack in the transfer case to turn on 4WD in a fraction of a second.

4 Lo locked the TC so it locked it in 4 all the time. So daily driving the 4WD is automatic on demand and no driver action needed. 4 Lo you would need to stop to engage. I've never needed 4 Lo in my WK2, but in the past I've found it helpful to be rolling at an extremely slow pace to more easily engage 4 Lo.

If your budget can afford it, I'd try for a WK2 (2011). As much as you like the WK, you will probably like the WK2 even more. Personally, I never cared much for the WK and skipped it. Had an '04 WJ Limited (bought the '04 because it was the last year for a WJ), skipped the WK and got a WK2 (2011 Summit). I also have friends with a WK ('08 Overland) and it is the most unreliable turd of a vehicle I've ever heard of. It now gets most of its miles riding piggy back on a flat bed. They've had a slew of electricals, engine that just quits and won't re start, bad auto wipers, nav die (now they have an iPad mini in the dash since a factory replacement was too expensive), and a zillion other things that have put it in the shop constantly. That said I'm sure there are plenty of others that have WK Jeeps that are perfectly fine, and others that have had a zillion problems with their WK2. In either case you won't find the WK on my "must recommend" list because of their problems.

Depending in your budget and interior amenities you demand, Laredo or limited WK2 would check off all your boxes and I believe handles better than the WK (it's been a LONG time since I drove a WK so I can't give a direct comparison). The WK has a solid rear axle still while the WK2 is independent all around.

Whichever you choose, get a Diablosport tuner from hemifever and drop in a tune. Made a huge difference in mine!
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With QD 2 you just go all the time, no 4WD mode to put it in. It's been a while since I really looked into QD 2 but my first WJ had QD and if I remember correctly it would drive in rwd only unless a difference in rotation occurred between front and rear tires. This difference would cause hydraulic pressure to accumulate quickly and engage a clutch pack in the transfer case to turn on 4WD in a fraction of a second.

4 Lo locked the TC so it locked it in 4 all the time. So daily driving the 4WD is automatic on demand and no driver action needed. 4 Lo you would need to stop to engage. I've never needed 4 Lo in my WK2, but in the past I've found it helpful to be rolling at an extremely slow pace to more easily engage 4 Lo.

If your budget can afford it, I'd try for a WK2 (2011). As much as you like the WK, you will probably like the WK2 even more. Personally, I never cared much for the WK and skipped it. Had an '04 WJ Limited (bought the '04 because it was the last year for a WJ), skipped the WK and got a WK2 (2011 Summit). I also have friends with a WK ('08 Overland) and it is the most unreliable turd of a vehicle I've ever heard of. It now gets most of its miles riding piggy back on a flat bed. They've had a slew of electricals, engine that just quits and won't re start, bad auto wipers, nav die (now they have an iPad mini in the dash since a factory replacement was too expensive), and a zillion other things that have put it in the shop constantly. That said I'm sure there are plenty of others that have WK Jeeps that are perfectly fine, and others that have had a zillion problems with their WK2. In either case you won't find the WK on my "must recommend" list because of their problems.

Depending in your budget and interior amenities you demand, Laredo or limited WK2 would check off all your boxes and I believe handles better than the WK (it's been a LONG time since I drove a WK so I can't give a direct comparison). The WK has a solid rear axle still while the WK2 is independent all around.

Whichever you choose, get a Diablosport tuner from hemifever and drop in a tune. Made a huge difference in mine!
Thank-you!

Does anyone else agree? Not looking for an argument, I value your experience. I just want to know if others feel it is isolated, or if there is a big margin of difference between the '10 and '11.

I have personally always preferred to buy vehicles at the end of the model cycle because I found that most of the bugs are gone by then. Yes, the new one may have some nice features that are new, but the old one is mature, and what it has...works. This is part of why I want the '09-'10.

When I bought my 370Z, I bought a '12 because they added an oil-cooler. I have never had issues iwht oil temps like others. When I bought my Z06, I made it an '11, becuase that year they used the ZR1 oil cooler (no plate up front, liquid/liquid), and used carbon fiber lined syncros (I didn't even get "nibbles" on my shifts in high 20's weather, although I had to shift at 1200rpm and baby the throttle...427ci motor in a <3200# car, lol!)

Anyway, that is part of why I wanted the years I did...maturity of the platform.

Is this invalid? Is the new one that much better?

*Also of note, the Overland I sat in last night had a Quad Drive II in it, and there was a shiny little lever to the right of the main transmission selector and 4WD written by it...SOMETHING is selectable. I don't know what. Did you mean Quad Track II? Jeep really screwed people with so many different similar names/systems.
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With QD 2 you just go all the time, no 4WD mode to put it in. It's been a while since I really looked into QD 2 but my first WJ had QD and if I remember correctly it would drive in rwd only unless a difference in rotation occurred between front and rear tires. This difference would cause hydraulic pressure to accumulate quickly and engage a clutch pack in the transfer case to turn on 4WD in a fraction of a second.

4 Lo locked the TC so it locked it in 4 all the time. So daily driving the 4WD is automatic on demand and no driver action needed. 4 Lo you would need to stop to engage. I've never needed 4 Lo in my WK2, but in the past I've found it helpful to be rolling at an extremely slow pace to more easily engage 4 Lo.

If your budget can afford it, I'd try for a WK2 (2011). As much as you like the WK, you will probably like the WK2 even more. Personally, I never cared much for the WK and skipped it. Had an '04 WJ Limited (bought the '04 because it was the last year for a WJ), skipped the WK and got a WK2 (2011 Summit). I also have friends with a WK ('08 Overland) and it is the most unreliable turd of a vehicle I've ever heard of. It now gets most of its miles riding piggy back on a flat bed. They've had a slew of electricals, engine that just quits and won't re start, bad auto wipers, nav die (now they have an iPad mini in the dash since a factory replacement was too expensive), and a zillion other things that have put it in the shop constantly. That said I'm sure there are plenty of others that have WK Jeeps that are perfectly fine, and others that have had a zillion problems with their WK2. In either case you won't find the WK on my "must recommend" list because of their problems.

Depending in your budget and interior amenities you demand, Laredo or limited WK2 would check off all your boxes and I believe handles better than the WK (it's been a LONG time since I drove a WK so I can't give a direct comparison). The WK has a solid rear axle still while the WK2 is independent all around.

Whichever you choose, get a Diablosport tuner from hemifever and drop in a tune. Made a huge difference in mine!
While I agree with you on the 4x4 aspects as I needed someone to chime in on it. I dont agree on your assessment of the 08 wk. I own one and I never had one electrical problem and its never given me issues. I have almost 69k on it and I have been dogging the hell outta it for almost 30k miles. Not one issue. Im not denying you buddy has had issues but if you look at the data on the 08's vs the whole wk1 range from 05 to 10 the 08 has had the least problems. I am basing that fact on gov and manufacture recall data.
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Here, this may help. It's recall data from 05 to 10. My model and trim 08 has had not one recall.

http://www.wkjeeps.com/recalls/wk_recall.htm
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While I agree with you on the 4x4 aspects as I needed someone to chime in on it. I dont agree on your assessment of the 08 wk. I own one and I never had one electrical problem and its never given me issues. I have almost 69k on it and I have been dogging the hell outta it for almost 30k miles. Not one issue. Im not denying you buddy has had issues but if you look at the data on the 08's vs the whole wk1 range from 05 to 10 the 08 has had the least problems. I am basing that fact on gov and manufacture recall data.
How does the '09-'10 V8 4x4 model compare to what he suggested, and '11?

I empathize with him. My 370Z has soured me on EVER buying another Japanese vehicle again, even though many Z owners have had reliable cars.
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