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Old 02-17-2014, 02:32 PM
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Hello...I don't know what I'm doing here, exactly...

What I mean is, I don't know what I am doing because I am not sure about these vehicles.

I have always owned sports cars. However, my lifestyle is changing, and I am selling my last "toy" for a "functional" vehicle.

I am moving to NW Arkansas, and it snows there. I have bought some land outside the city limits, and there are respectable grades getting to and from it, as well as the fact that it is rural, and the roads are likely never plowed there.

I am interested in a vehicle which will offer:

-Reduced debt/income ration (to support building a home in 2 years or so), as compared to my current vehicle.

-Enough power that I feel safe in it (I have owned some very slow cars, and some very fast cars. The slowest did 0-60mph in 10.5 seconds, and the fastest would do 0-100mph in 8 seconds). I just want something I feel like I can accelerate/stop in enough to tear it up in traffic going through cities like Houston where a blinker is just a way of saying "yeah...that happened".

-I am moving where I have friends. I need space for a few people and some gear. I always get tasked with hauling people, and gear, when I go to train/shoot, and my 370Z simply did NOT cut it last time.

-I want confidence in snow and bad weather---if I can't get to work, I want NOONE ELSE to be able to show up and say "why isn't that guy here!?" I want them to be stuck at home, too, because nothing else is moving either. Not "If he didn't have that dang speed-bump scraper he would be here!".

-I want reliable. I hate it when things break. It seriously hacks me off. I believe that most objects should either have a finite life (like a rifle barrel) which is understood and observed, or to last the life of the user. Obviously vehicles (other than a Rolls) don't fall into that category, but I don't want to be nickel and dimed every week, either!

-Aesthetics (I like the 2009-2010, the 2011 looks like a Benz or Explorer or...just suffice it to say I like the '10 model the best for looks).

Anyway, I know zip about these or any truck type vehicles, despite having worked for Ford from 2004-2005 as a new and used vehicle certified sales rep. During which time, I did drive a 2004 Dodge Hemi equipped truck (4x4) that a customer traded in, and was pleasantly surprised with its power. My current daily at that time was a 1995 Trans Am, for reference.

I am considering:

2009-2010 Grand Jeep Cherokee.

I want:

-HID (would VERY MUCH like this...but won't kill a deal)
-Quadra Drive II (MUCH prefered, but will not be upset over Quadra Trac II)
-5.7 V8 (Dealbreaker
-4x4 (Dealbreaker)
-NAV (Dealbreaker)

What I hope to gain from this forum:

-Understanding of this vehicle as much as possible before I buy it.
-Service after the sale, so to speak, if I get hacked off at any little issues, take my ire with a grain of salt and please offer help!
-Advice selecting said vehicle, and "no...you really don't want this even though you think you do...you really need this even though you don't think you do..."

What I hope to offer:

-My unique and perverse sense of humor.
-Insight similar to the above, but regarding the C6 Z06, 370Z, and 4th Gen F-bodies (just previous stuff I've owned that I can speak on from experience).
-Any firearm's related stuff I can teach and certainly learn more about!

Anyway, thank-you all for reading, I have been up for about 36 hours, now, so I am sorry if this is disjointed. A bit about me:

-28/M/European-American (White guy)
-Critical Care (Surgical hospital) RN,BSN (I know, it doesn't matter, but I paid for that BSN part so I share it), @4 years experience.
-Shooting, fitness, weights, Outdoor activities (camping, hiking, etc.)
-Pretending I am a gourmet chef with a repertoire of Steak, Chicken, and Hamburgers, and Steak, Hamburgers...well, Eggs. Yes, that, too I can cook!

Please feel free to educate me on things I think I know but don't!

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Old 02-17-2014, 03:28 PM
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first off welcome!

and since you are looking for a 09-10 you may want to search through the wk section of the forum. lots of good info in there.

and from what you have explained kinda sounds like you want a overland with the 5.7

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Old 02-17-2014, 10:38 PM
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:48 AM
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Re: Hello...I don't know what I'm doing here, exactly...

Thanks for the welcomes! I went and looked at a 2008 Overland 5.7 4x4 last night. The dealership had committed a huge no-no by leaving the 5-day tag in it and the vehicle unlocked. Fail. Anyway, I just sat in every seat, played with what worked, and really liked the vehicle in general (obviously didn't drive it). The back seat appears perfectly sufficient for a 6' tall adult for a long trip, although you won't be reclining and flopping about and all. I just really liked the vehicle. There are NO! blind-spots at all, and it's the perfect size for what I need without being overkill.

Anyway, I need to drive one. Can someone sum up for me though how they compare to say, a 2005 F150 in the "handles corners" department? That is the last "trucklike" thing I drove.
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:15 AM
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Thanks for the welcomes! I went and looked at a 2008 Overland 5.7 4x4 last night. The dealership had committed a huge no-no by leaving the 5-day tag in it and the vehicle unlocked. Fail. Anyway, I just sat in every seat, played with what worked, and really liked the vehicle in general (obviously didn't drive it). The back seat appears perfectly sufficient for a 6' tall adult for a long trip, although you won't be reclining and flopping about and all. I just really liked the vehicle. There are NO! blind-spots at all, and it's the perfect size for what I need without being overkill.

Anyway, I need to drive one. Can someone sum up for me though how they compare to say, a 2005 F150 in the "handles corners" department? That is the last "trucklike" thing I drove.
Well, car like in ride but not so much so that it seem like a cloud. you still have a sense that your in a heavy truck. if pushed it will understeer and over steer is predictable. the suspension will ride very smooth for a truck like this, but on a down side the shocks tend to be worn out between 50-65k miles but replacement are cheap. overall I feel you will enjoy the vehical very much. Keep in mine my review is based on the 4x2 I own, but the handling character is very similar. hope this helps answer your question! And welcome to JG!
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Well, car like in ride but not so much so that it seem like a cloud. you still have a sense that your in a heavy truck. if pushed it will understeer and over steer is predictable. the suspension will ride very smooth for a truck like this, but on a down side the shocks tend to be worn out between 50-65k miles but replacement are cheap. overall I feel you will enjoy the vehical very much. Keep in mine my review is based on the 4x2 I own, but the handling character is very similar. hope this helps answer your question! And welcome to JG!
Thanks for the welcome!

Are the shocks all-around, or struts up front?

Do I need to compress any springs to change them, or anything like that, or just bolt-off, bolt-on?

So this vehicle spins to the outside in a curve if you lose it due to excess speed (not heavy-handed throttle application)? How correctable is this with light trail braking? Maybe I need to stop pretending it's a sports car...
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Thanks for the welcome!

Are the shocks all-around, or struts up front?

Do I need to compress any springs to change them, or anything like that, or just bolt-off, bolt-on?

So this vehicle spins to the outside in a curve if you lose it due to excess speed (not heavy-handed throttle application)? How correctable is this with light trail braking? Maybe I need to stop pretending it's a sports car...
well the shocks go bad early on like I said, and its best to change all four. you will likely need to compress the fronts to get them off the shock, where as the rears are a separate shock and spring combo. excess entry speeds will cause a bit of understeer but its correctable by braking into the corner. I can get my 3.7 to break loose on corner exit when im pushing it so I can see the hemi breaking loose easier on corner exit. but mid corner on out its accually not to bad and is fairly neutral from center on out if you ease into it. I found to get it back if you kick it out is to back off the gas and let it settle on its own and be very easy on the steering corrections, I have had mine snap back the other way when one of the rear wheels grabs traction. (was not an issue on the nitto's I had) but on stock rubber it can be an issue. just be deliberate it all
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well the shocks go bad early on like I said, and its best to change all four. you will likely need to compress the fronts to get them off the shock, where as the rears are a separate shock and spring combo. excess entry speeds will cause a bit of understeer but its correctable by braking into the corner. I can get my 3.7 to break loose on corner exit when im pushing it so I can see the hemi breaking loose easier on corner exit. but mid corner on out its accually not to bad and is fairly neutral from center on out if you ease into it. I found to get it back if you kick it out is to back off the gas and let it settle on its own and be very easy on the steering corrections, I have had mine snap back the other way when one of the rear wheels grabs traction. (was not an issue on the nitto's I had) but on stock rubber it can be an issue. just be deliberate it all
Good deal!

I personally dislike the handling characteristics of my 370Z. It feels anything but neutral. It is very front-heavy feeling, and it takes FOREVER to settle. Rebound control is non-existent. Horrible car unless you do mods to the suspension, compared to other options available, in my opinion. Corners are all throttle. Fine for the track, but I don't like it on the street where unexpected animals/gravel/etc exist.

It sounds like the GJC is a much more forgiving vehicle, albeit with a lot lower performance level.
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Good deal!

I personally dislike the handling characteristics of my 370Z. It feels anything but neutral. It is very front-heavy feeling, and it takes FOREVER to settle. Rebound control is non-existent. Horrible car unless you do mods to the suspension, compared to other options available, in my opinion. Corners are all throttle. Fine for the track, but I don't like it on the street where unexpected animals/gravel/etc exist.

It sounds like the GJC is a much more forgiving vehicle, albeit with a lot lower performance level.
I figured it out by blasting thru all the training areas in the back 40 out in Campbell, and I track it. just keep in mind that I have a rwd v6 so its got a better handling balance then a hemi 4x4, but its not too different. you should feel more weight on the nose but it shouldn't be much more then what I feel
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I figured it out by blasting thru all the training areas in the back 40 out in Campbell, and I track it. just keep in mind that I have a rwd v6 so its got a better handling balance then a hemi 4x4, but its not too different. you should feel more weight on the nose but it shouldn't be much more then what I feel
Very cool. My father has always said "Be careful, I have seen JGC's rolled in a parking-lot because a sharp turn was taken while parking" and the like. I personally think he is a bit of an alarmist and am not worried about something like that, which I feel absurd, but where I am going in Benton County, AR, there are lots of twisty roads and I want to enjoy them as much as I can without stepping into an SRT8 and while maintaining the utility of an SUV.

The SRT8's mileage is the deal-killer, as are the tires (expensive, and not very suited to snow, which is the main reason I want AWD in the first place, as I will live in a rural area and commute to a hospital in town.)
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Very cool. My father has always said "Be careful, I have seen JGC's rolled in a parking-lot because a sharp turn was taken while parking" and the like. I personally think he is a bit of an alarmist and am not worried about something like that, which I feel absurd, but where I am going in Benton County, AR, there are lots of twisty roads and I want to enjoy them as much as I can without stepping into an SRT8 and while maintaining the utility of an SUV.

The SRT8's mileage is the deal-killer, as are the tires (expensive, and not very suited to snow, which is the main reason I want AWD in the first place, as I will live in a rural area and commute to a hospital in town.)
Well you have fun in a JGC! I love to toss mine around and I am planning a very massive suspension/chassis up grade that will run me up to 3,300. that if I do everything I wanna do
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Well you have fun in a JGC! I love to toss mine around and I am planning a very massive suspension/chassis up grade that will run me up to 3,300. that if I do everything I wanna do
Very cool. Well, I contacted my friend in the auto biz yesterday about getting me into a GJC, and he hopes to do so by the end of the week. We will see.

I noticed abnormal tire wear due to alignment that I caught a bit late on my Z. It was fine until now, but now normal wear has exacerbated the issue. I refuse to put a new set of Pilot Super Sports on it when I'm dumping it this summer, anyway.
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