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Old 04-22-2014, 11:29 PM
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Hi everyone! I am a novice in the Jeep world, but perhaps thatís about to change. My driving is mostly highways, except for the 2.5 mile gravel driveway that climbs very steeply up to my home. When I bought the property I knew I would need a vehicle with good road clearance and traction, and my first choice was a Subaru outback. It was very capable, and handled winter weather really well; but I never felt comfortable in the driving position, the engine was underpowered, and the ride felt sluggish on the freeways.

So I started looking at Audi, Mercedes, and BMW. I found that an SUV could actually be fun to drive. The BMW X3 in particular made highway driving so much more fun than the Outback, and in dry conditions it felt fine on my driveway. But there is simply no denying the X3's limitations in severe winter road conditions, and I started to miss the reliable Subaru. I remember complaining to a friend that I wished the X3 was more "Jeep-like". This winter an eco-diesel Summit caught my eye. It is nothing like the X3, so it surprised me that I was looking at it seriously, but I was curious and found my way to this forum. In the last few weeks I have began to appreciate that the WK2 offers some very real advantages over the X3 (and X5).

I finally arranged a long test drive of a Summit. Handling does feel very heavy compared to the X3, and that extra weight seems to amplify the body roll. But cruising at highway speeds is calm and comfortable, and the diesel torque is terrific. I was blown away by how well the GC performed on my driveway, too (love the way it can crawl effortlessly). The elegant yet functional interior puts the X3 to shame, and the GC tech system is also much more user friendly. So I have adjusted my priorities, and I am enthusiastic about buying a GC. Iím willing to give up the agile handling, spirited acceleration, and smaller scale of the X3. In return I will have a much more versatile and satisfying vehicle.

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Hi everyone! I am a novice in the Jeep world, but perhaps thatís about to change. My driving is mostly highways, except for the 2.5 mile gravel driveway that climbs very steeply up to my home. When I bought the property I knew I would need a vehicle with good road clearance and traction, and my first choice was a Subaru outback. It was very capable, and handled winter weather really well; but I never felt comfortable in the driving position, the engine was underpowered, and the ride felt sluggish on the freeways.

So I started looking at Audi, Mercedes, and BMW. I found that an SUV could actually be fun to drive. The BMW X3 in particular made highway driving so much more fun than the Outback, and in dry conditions it felt fine on my driveway. But there is simply no denying the X3's limitations in severe winter road conditions, and I started to miss the reliable Subaru. I remember complaining to a friend that I wished the X3 was more "Jeep-like". This winter an eco-diesel Summit caught my eye. It is nothing like the X3, so it surprised me that I was looking at it seriously, but I was curious and found my way to this forum. In the last few weeks I have began to appreciate that the WK2 offers some very real advantages over the X3 (and X5).

I finally arranged a long test drive of a Summit. Handling does feel very heavy compared to the X3, and that extra weight seems to amplify the body roll. But cruising at highway speeds is calm and comfortable, and the diesel torque is terrific. I was blown away by how well the GC performed on my driveway, too (love the way it can crawl effortlessly). The elegant yet functional interior puts the X3 to shame, and the GC tech system is also much more user friendly. So I have adjusted my priorities, and I am enthusiastic about buying a GC. Iím willing to give up the agile handling, spirited acceleration, and smaller scale of the X3. In return I will have a much more versatile and satisfying vehicle.
Welcome! I came from a Rav4 (ok in snow) then Highlander (very good in snow) to the 2014 JGC but test drove a lot of the vehicles you mentioned particularly the X3 before settling on the Jeep. The X3 for an suv handles very well and has spirited performance but I remember the few times I test drove one on a snowy day I didn't feel it handled that well, maybe it was the Run Flat Tires that BMW insists on using but I wasn't going to buy a 40k+ vehicle to swap tires and hope it performed better in the winter. When I discovered the JGC Overland had a ton of options standard and cost less than similar optioned yet smaller X3 the Jeep became the choice. As for the Jeep in snow this past winter it handled it great, without a problem even with the stock GY tires. What kind of winter might you ask? I'm in the region with the number 1 city for the 2013-2014 winter -

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Thanks for taking the time to replyóit's great news that the stock tires are good enough for serious snow. I ended up getting snow tires for the X3, which helped a lot, but it still feels too rear-wheel biased for good traction

BMW's commitment to runflat tires is a real pain. Runflats are not only more expensive and less durable, they make the ride less comfortable and are not readily available in many places. So it's common to find yourself outside the 50-mile range of a place that might have your runflat in stock. BMW's position is that a runflat can't be repaired safely, so it can get very expensive and very inconvenient to locate a replacement tire for a simple puncture. BMW is so insistent on the future of run flats that there is no place in an X3 to store a spare tire.

I can't wait to have conventional tires again!
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Thanks for taking the time to replyóit's great news that the stock tires are good enough for serious snow. I ended up getting snow tires for the X3, which helped a lot, but it still feels too rear-wheel biased for good traction

BMW's commitment to runflat tires is a real pain. Runflats are not only more expensive and less durable, they make the ride less comfortable and are not readily available in many places. So it's common to find yourself outside the 50-mile range of a place that might have your runflat in stock. BMW's position is that a runflat can't be repaired safely, so it can get very expensive and very inconvenient to locate a replacement tire for a simple puncture. BMW is so insistent on the future of run flats that there is no place in an X3 to store a spare tire.

I can't wait to have conventional tires again!
Yes BMW seems to all in on runflats and has removed the spare tire option on most vehicles (though maybe a few offer it as an option?) but either way I wish they would of offered the option to either get the X3 with RFT or conventional tires but I wonder how much space the spare would of taken up, I don't remember it being a very big storage area.

I hope all goes well on with your new Jeep and you have it soon! Keep us posted.
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Thanks to all for the warm welcome! It's such a nice idea to give newbies a place to get started, and so generous of all of you to offer encouragement. I'm hoping to buy a GC Summit within the next two weeks, through the DC area group buy. I'm sure I'll be needing lots of advice in the coming months, so as soon as I become a Jeep owner, I'll become a Jeep Garage member. Thanks again for the welcome!
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Just an update to say that I did go ahead and order a new GC summit CRD (starting to learn the Jeep acronyms!), and got a great deal through the DC group buy. I then immediately became a site supporter as my small gesture of thanks.

Still waiting for my jeep to be delivered, but it has been fun following progress with others on this forum. And of course I'm already shopping for accessories!

Thanks Scottina for suggesting the jeep garage app -- this is my first time using it, and it's really intuitive for a newbie. I'm sure I will be using it daily now!


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