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From what I have understood in the OP he is looking for a modest Jeep. 4'' lift some beefy tires, and something that is reliable and comfortable.
I speak from experience, you cannot beat the WJ when you compare what you get over the price you pay and add in aftermarket options. IFS may have a longer travel, but also has one big PITA problem when you start lifting it, changing the center of gravity, and add additional load to it.. You COULD start to burn though some front end parts. IFS will ride much smoother and there will be a noticeable difference over washboard type roads... however it is not, and I repeat..IS NOT as strong as a solid axle. SFA is made with a difference audience in mind. Far easier to work on, they have the awesome ability of being lifted in a fraction of the time, and less money. SFA also has more constant and predictable ground clearance for more challenging trail riding. As for the QT2 and QD.. I love knowing in my WJ that I put it in 4 Lo.. Not some little button. There seem to be 2 parts to this next segment. Interior comfort, and interior looks: Comfort wise, like seats, the WJ wins hands down and also IMO it seems to be built a little more durable, also you cannot forget about how the WJ has more room in the rear cargo area then the WK. As for looks, it is the exact opposite.. like stated in the OP the WK is not as dated and definitely has a better look to it. On another note.. I don't know if anyone had this problem.. But when I drove a WK since I am 6'2" I hit the key out of the ignition.. Just throwing that out there. Engine Power: The Hemi is awesome, but once again I am old school and am not a fan of electronic throttle.. Ill stick to a pull cord. Hemi's, in some cases, have a known valve problem and the springs seem to be the culprit. The 4.7 in the WJ, like any other engine, has minor problems that are easy to fix. It is a very reliable engine over all... I drive the piss out of mine (average about 250 miles a day for work/school, then take beach trips often) and other than running full syn fluids, and keeping on top of all general maint. I have never had to do anything to mine. The 4.7 H.O is the same engine for the most part, but is STOUT! With its more agerssive cam, tri metal bearing, higher fuel flow, and modified intake it could run with the rest and not be left behind.

In all IMO I would look for a 2004 WJ. With the 4.7 H.O.
Strong drivetrain (some components were made to live behind the HEMI) that have plenty of room to grow before replacement. An awesome trans that can be easily modified to give stronger and more crisp shifts. A wide array of offload options, along with a large number of used/wrecked WJ's that are being parted out for cheap and easy part finding.
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I loved the WJ. Owned 2 of them and like all the jeeps I have owned, I wish I still had one. If I did I can promise you my WK would be pretty much stock.
That said, as a DD the WK is superior IMO. It drives better and you have the option of QDII and a HEMI. Both of which are better then anything that came with WJ.
Strictly off road the WJ has to get the nod because of the SFA and aftermarket support that the WK doesn't have.
I have said it once and I will say it again. The WK was made to go to the mall and soccer practice. Is wasn't made for going off road.
Minus rock crawling, I've seen the wk some pretty amazing stuff offroad... If it was truly designed for the mall and soccer practice they would have ditched the solid rear too... Its like the 1st gen 4runner with sfa is a beast but the second and third gen 4runners still do amazing stuff.... Like i said minus rock crawling the ifs isn't bad and can actually have some advantages. If you need a rock crawling rig id get a wrangler ... If not still with a wj or wk hell even a zj if you can find one in nice shape... Just don't get a wk2 lol
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:41 PM
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Minus rock crawling, I've seen the wk some pretty amazing stuff offroad... If it was truly designed for the mall and soccer practice they would have ditched the solid rear too... Its like the 1st gen 4runner with sfa is a beast but the second and third gen 4runners still do amazing stuff.... Like i said minus rock crawling the ifa isn't bad and can actually have some advantages. If you need a rock crawling rig id get a wrangler ... If not still with a wj or wk hell even a zj if you can find one in nice shape... Just don't get a wk2 lol
I didn't say the WK wasn't capable off road. I just said it wasn't built for it. The WK platform is almost 10 years old and what do we have for after market support? 3 or 4 BB, the SL, the zone lift , all the overpriced JBA stuff and 2 or 3 companies that make skids and some other small parts. The 2014 wrangler already has more aftermarket support then the WK platform ever will. Plus the when you break something it isn't a cheap fix.

So yes the WK is capable off road (thanks to QD2) but jeep certainly didn't build it with us in mind. It's soccer wagon all day long.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:16 PM
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I didn't say the WK wasn't capable off road. I just said it wasn't built for it. The WK platform is almost 10 years old and what do we have for after market support? 3 or 4 BB, the SL, the zone lift , all the overpriced JBA stuff and 2 or 3 companies that make skids and some other small parts. The 2014 wrangler already has more aftermarket support then the WK platform ever will. Plus the when you break something it isn't a cheap fix.

So yes the WK is capable off road (thanks to QD2) but jeep certainly didn't build it with us in mind. It's soccer wagon all day long.
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I didn't say the WK wasn't capable off road. I just said it wasn't built for it. The WK platform is almost 10 years old and what do we have for after market support? 3 or 4 BB, the SL, the zone lift , all the overpriced JBA stuff and 2 or 3 companies that make skids and some other small parts. The 2014 wrangler already has more aftermarket support then the WK platform ever will. Plus the when you break something it isn't a cheap fix.

So yes the WK is capable off road (thanks to QD2) but jeep certainly didn't build it with us in mind. It's soccer wagon all day long.
Doesn't make sense you just said Jeep didn't build it with us in mind yet you say the WK is capable off road thanks to QD2... Well seems to me Jeep obviously had us in mind when they developed that QD2 and offered it in the WK. I have yet to come across anytrhing that was overly expensive though I haven't broken much either. The truth is in most instances the WK meets or exceeds the WJ's capability and is much more reliable (fact) and much safer (fact). The only major difference is the ifs up front but it still has a solid rear and what it lacks in ifs vs sfa it more than makes up for it with the QD2. Jeep designed the wk for just as much off road use as they did the wj and going ifs because they knew with the technology of the 4wd it was just as capable as the wj but without all the disadvantages of the sfa on road plus lets be honest Jeep knows a wrangler is what Jeep makes for rock crawling. Why would you want a unibody WJ when like you stated the wrangler has way more support. Now as far as big overstuffed seats the WJ wins hands down but I'm not into that kind of thing. I like firm supportive seats for long trips like my WK has... sweet!!! And that's damn right too!!!!!
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Doesn't make sense you just said Jeep didn't build it with us in mind yet you say the WK is capable off road thanks to QD2... Well seems to me Jeep obviously had us in mind when they developed that QD2 and offered it in the WK. I have yet to come across anytrhing that was overly expensive though I haven't broken much either. The truth is in most instances the WK meets or exceeds the WJ's capability and is much more reliable (fact) and much safer (fact). The only major difference is the ifs up front but it still has a solid rear and what it lacks in ifs vs sfa it more than makes up for it with the QD2. Jeep designed the wk for just as much off road use as they did the wj and going ifs because they knew with the technology of the 4wd it was just as capable as the wj but without all the disadvantages of the sfa on road plus lets be honest Jeep knows a wrangler is what Jeep makes for rock crawling. Why would you want a unibody WJ when like you stated the wrangler has way more support. Now as far as big overstuffed seats the WJ wins hands down but I'm not into that kind of thing. I like firm supportive seats for long trips like my WK has... sweet!!! And that's damn right too!!!!!
It makes perfect sense. You obviously haven't had your WK long enough yet to realize it.

The front end on the WK is garbage. Even stock they have problems. Add a BB and throw those drive angles out of alignment and watch what happens. You name it, i have blown it and in some cases multiple times (and i am not alone here). I never had front end issues in my WJ's.

Jeep made the WK with the average American family in mind. A great DD with a capable 4x4 system for the occasional weekend camping trips, beach driving and ski trip type stuff. They weren't thinking of us buying $40k dollar jeep to lift and turn into trail rig.

Again where is the aftermarket support? It's just not there. However look at the FJ cruiser. That has IFS and they have long arm kits that cost about the same as the WK SL. There is no support for the WK because we are in the minority. Even look at SL. They basically discontinued the WK lift because they didn't have the demand. I had to wait 6 months for one because they are making them to order or some crap now.

Now look at the WK2 with QL. They are more then capable off road but you can't lift them. Even if you had a WK2 with QD2 where is the aftermarket support for those. Just one leveling kit on the market.

Jeep is basically telling us that if you want something for serious off road use buy a wrangler.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:54 AM
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It makes perfect sense. You obviously haven't had your WK long enough yet to realize it.

The front end on the WK is garbage. Even stock they have problems. Add a BB and throw those drive angles out of alignment and watch what happens. You name it, i have blown it and in some cases multiple times (and i am not alone here). I never had front end issues in my WJ's.

Jeep made the WK with the average American family in mind. A great DD with a capable 4x4 system for the occasional weekend camping trips, beach driving and ski trip type stuff. They weren't thinking of us buying $40k dollar jeep to lift and turn into trail rig.

Again where is the aftermarket support? It's just not there. However look at the FJ cruiser. That has IFS and they have long arm kits that cost about the same as the WK SL. There is no support for the WK because we are in the minority. Even look at SL. They basically discontinued the WK lift because they didn't have the demand. I had to wait 6 months for one because they are making them to order or some crap now.

Now look at the WK2 with QL. They are more then capable off road but you can't lift them. Even if you had a WK2 with QD2 where is the aftermarket support for those. Just one leveling kit on the market.

Jeep is basically telling us that if you want something for serious off road use buy a wrangler.
Totally agree. Can the WK go off road? Duh, it's a jeep. Was that its design? Negative ghost rider. You can tell ever since the XJ that jeep was slowly turning the cherokee into a daily driver family car.
In my opinion the WK was the first true family minded ride comfort Mom wagon SUV they made, though the WJ is not far behind.
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Totally agree. Can the WK go off road? Duh, it's a jeep. Was that its design? Negative ghost rider. You can tell ever since the XJ that jeep was slowly turning the cherokee into a daily driver family car.
In my opinion the WK was the first true family minded ride comfort Mom wagon SUV they made, though the WJ is not far behind.
Yup and it was no coincidence that the XK came out shortly after the WK. A 7 passenger family wagon to compete with the Expedition's and Tahoe's of the world.
Jeep is rebranding themselves and thankfully they haven't forgotten us completely with he JK.
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It makes perfect sense. You obviously haven't had your WK long enough yet to realize it.

The front end on the WK is garbage. Even stock they have problems. Add a BB and throw those drive angles out of alignment and watch what happens. You name it, i have blown it and in some cases multiple times (and i am not alone here). I never had front end issues in my WJ's.

Jeep made the WK with the average American family in mind. A great DD with a capable 4x4 system for the occasional weekend camping trips, beach driving and ski trip type stuff. They weren't thinking of us buying $40k dollar jeep to lift and turn into trail rig.
honestly after getting my WK damn near stuck in quarry due to some soft mud/clay and literally beating the hell out of the right LCA/front skid/etc. trying to get out of there (keep in mind i havea BB and 32s, so i thought i had some kidn of advantage), i realized ill never wheel this thing. the front end just isnt the same as im used to in a XJ/TJ/YJ. never had a front end issue with a SFA axle vehicle, and ive wheeled the piss out of my XJ and TJ when i had them.

this is and will continue to be a family vehicle. yea you can build an amazing DD out of a WK with teh addition of swaybars, springs, shocks, etc- but an offroader worth a damn that you wont be paying out the ass for replacement parts. i disagree.

you hit it on the head lucas- JEEP made these things for pavment and maybe your occasional logging road/dirt road to a campsite or weekend get away, nothing more.
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^ so I bet your glad you didn't install the OME and such.
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yeah... i had a ZJ before I got my '07 Laredo.

The ZJ was lifted on 35" swampers. That thing took an ENORMOUS beating. I tore the rear track bar clean OFF... ha. Ripped a LCA off, bent the other. The dang thing just needed a welder and it was back on!

When i put a 3' lift and 32's on the WK... the thing had a heart attack! warning lights, BING BING BING BONG WE"RE GONNA DIE.

the WK is a great platform, but it's a long ways away from the truly capable Jeeps of the past.

I don't mean to bash the WK platform. I'm on my second of the WK generation. I've just embraced the fact that the WK is a street machine... tee hee

I don't know too much about the WJ, but I know the aftermarket support is way better (no news in this thread, stated many times)

It comes down to taste. The WJ is going to be more like the older jeeps. Easier to mod, less... luxury, more... lego.
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^ so I bet your glad you didn't install the OME and such.
Yea pretty much. lol dont care to lift it
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