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Old 01-10-2014, 12:59 PM
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Re: Wj or wk

You stats are really not relevant to the original OP. He asked about a WJ vs WK, and specifically noted to use add a lift and use it offroad.

I have experience with both the WJ and WK relevant to this Topic, and have a very long background in all Jeeps and offroading. And from that knowledge and experience the WJ is the far superior model in the Jeep lineup relevant to the OP and this Topic.

Obviously Jeep will build each generation of any model better than the last, Duh! But in this case the WK loses out, not matter how much you love your '09 WK 4.7L, it is NOT the best in THIS case.

If the OP were to want to compare a stock WJ vs. WK vs. WKII - the New Trailhawk II will surpass any and all of these, but that is a debate for another time and topic.

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Re: Wj or wk

I just showed you a post where plenty of people with your same experience said the wk is superior over the wj so where does it end? On paper the wk is better and in the real world it is too end of story

P.S. That new Trailhawk II is amazing!!!
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Old 01-11-2014, 12:52 PM
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Re: Wj or wk

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I just showed you a post where plenty of people with your same experience said the wk is superior over the wj so where does it end? On paper the wk is better and in the real world it is too end of story

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You are still missing the reason as to why the OP started this thread.
DD with lift and off-road capability.

I own a WJ so of course I am slightly biased. (Though I am honestly a diehard Ford fan, but we can start another endless and win-less post about that some other time)

I have friends and have spoken to many people about their WK's who used to own WJ's and 7/10 times they will state the for DD and off road capabilities WJ is takes the cake (Funfetti cake in particular, it is my favorite). Yes, they love the updated interior of the WK a bit more along with a quieter ride, but most find flaws and lack of comfort that their WJ's once had.Top complaints are the lower grade plastic like components and stiff seats. The WK is not nearly as easy, or cheap to modify. The WJ has many options that range from a LA kit for the off-road enthusiast or a simple 2" over spring kit to give it a bit better performance (No need to fix a pinch weld, get new wheels with different offset, or run sketchy wheels spacers like a WK with anything larger than stock tires).. far more options than the WK. IFS is the downfall of the WK for offroad purposes (Please note I am talking form a stock standpoint.. once again STOCK JEEP SUSPENSION COMPONENTS!).. Yes, it does have advantages for comfort, but reliability after lifting it is downfall unless you have serious $ to do it right. STOCK independent front suspension is nothing like what you would see on rigs running down the Baja or in competitions (The Ford Raptor is a different story ). Right out the box just a lift slapped on over the weekend in the garage, a SA will be far more durable than IFS suspension any day. You do not have you worry about exposed CV axles slamming against rocks, and the SFA can handle far more external forces (I noted this because I believe the OP said a women may be driving this ).. there is no way to deny that. Wheeling tears stuff up, if you are looking for reliability to DD, you need to look for what is tough. First thing that pops in my mind is SFA.

I will not even begin to start on the whole longer travel statement that was made. IFS and SFA have COMPLETELY different manners, just do some research.. the longer travel (1"?) means nothing honestly when you are comparing apples to oranges.

Now on to the transfer case talk. 242 transfer case with vari-lock axles is a STOUT set up on a WJ. Yes, the QD-II is nice, but lets be serious and change gears real quick (no pun intended, actually I meant for the pun, I might have even giggled a little when I wrote that)... do you want to have to worry about your elocker freaking out on your IFS front end? I will stick with mechanical operations and the ability to service all axles with basic hand tools. Very easy to fix no matter if you are on the trails or the highway. (I have done this myself in doo-doo mud since my friend decided to run 35's on his stock rear axle in his TJ and impress a girl.. didn't work out too well after he wheel hopped at WOT)

One more thing, lets say gas mileage is starting to become an issue and you would like to look into options to remedy this problem (Damn Jeeps are all as aerodynamic as a loaf of bread). What are you going to do on your WK to fix this so you DD does not run you dry? I know what I will do with my WJ... throw some gears in the front and rear and call it a day. If I cannot do it I can take it to any shop that has a tech with half a brain and get it done.



Sorry for the long post, I was bored and just had a full cup of coffee. Let the WJ bashing and saying how wrong I am continue .
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No I'm not bashing the WJ at all....At its time it was far superior to any other suv....I think all you WJ guys are getting too emotional and missed what I'm saying....the op asked for a lifted DAILY DRIVER....The WK is superior to the WJ in on road ride and comfort and handling NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT.... off road LIFTED it is as competent as the WJ... For a pure off road vehicle the wj is superior to the WK in every way for reasons as many of you have discussed... I love all generations of Grand Cherokees up to the WK2.A lifted WK will perform better on road as a daily driver compared to a lifted WJ and off-road would be competent enough for what he needs....Each generation has its strong points and weak points but overall each generation progressed from the previous one.... The only thing I find interesting is the ZJ WJ and WK all sold over 200,000 units in NA when they were first introduced but the WK2 sold only like 120,000 something...is Jeep ditching some of its loyalists/purists for a new more premium market of buyers? The next generation is really going to be interesting....
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Old 01-23-2014, 01:57 AM
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Re: Wj or wk

I had a money pit WJ HO, that engine was tearing itself apart to get that high hps, torque was just pathetic, use to choke a lot on sand dunes. Always at the dealer, one day after spending 2K in many fixes, mostly engine, a mechanic explained me everything wrong with it, and finished with "it's pretty much ****ed", and suggested me to get rid of it. I wanted to trade it for a 5.9 ZJ that was beyond amazing and power, but the seller sold it next day, and because I went ape shit about it (and he already had my car) he found me a nice WK HEMI that is a beast, no chokes, flies on sand, rides great, and no problems. Yeah, is nice to have a front straight axle over IFS when offroading, it's not nice to have the death woble that comes with it...
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Re: Wj or wk

Everyone's idea of wheeling is not the same.
My version of wheeling means body and tire damage should be expected, full armour is not for just in case, it is a requirement. Lockers are required, usefull articulation is required. You definately want a smaller lighter vehicle to keep damage and parts breakage under control.
Based on my idea of wheeling the WK need not apply. The WJ is the only choice of the 2.
My WJ had the 4.7HO and I honestly believe it had more spunk than my '14 GC with Hemi... I also had zero issues with it over the 120K miles I owned it.
I would agree with an earlier post that a 4dr Jk may want to be considered, or dare I say an XJ.

And as for a lifted daily driver, I daily drive my wheeling rig and would not hesitate to jump in it and go cross country. See, not everyone's idea of daily driver is the same either.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:06 PM
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I feel the wk is more capable off road due to qd2. The biggest limitation with the wk is the ground clearance but with a 2.5" kit it can easily by corrected. The ifs is not the big of a game changer. I own a zj and a wk and the wk fares better with a 2.5" lift. Stock for stock a wj would be better due to higher clearance.
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