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Old 07-11-2013, 05:39 AM
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Re: WK2 Sump Protection Plate

I'd vote for Aluminum I don't need it painted, you could consider matt or satin black anodising rather than painting.

I'd suggest some front to back strengthening ribs rather than thicker metal. The mounting bolts could then be countersunk into the strengthening ribs so that the heads are protected. Inserting an allen key into a crunched dome head is very difficult. You may need to consider bigger mounting bolts.

You could place mesh across any holes or slots to stop sticks.

I agree with allypally $350 + GST is a bit steep, you may struggle to find sales.

I'd be prepared to pay $250 + GST in bare aluminum.
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While you are at it, what engine is that? Your photo shows what looks like an oil filter. The CRD doesn't have the oil filter there.

I'm holding out for the ARB and Uneek4x4 bull bars that have been long promised. They may incorporate something similar. If not then I'll certainly be interested.

Also, have you considerred the differences in the bumper area of the 2011 and 2012-13 vehicles? Will this fit both?
That is the 5.7L Hemi engine, we have not test fitted the prototype plate to a CRD yet, but we will.

Yes I think I will also go with the ARB or Uneek4x4 Bull Bars, but from what I've seen so far they are only planning to guard the front area, (lower radiator, etc.). Of course if they provide a solution further back, then our product will only make sense for those without a Bull Bar.

I have investigated fitment on 2011, 2012 & 2013 vehicles, but I have not had a chance to look at the 2014 which has just come out. But I understand the front bumper frame area for 2014 WK2s is basically unchanged. I have a 2012, but when we have a finalised prototype design I will be doing final test fitting on 2011, 2013 and if possible 2014 vehicles prior to sale.
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Old 07-18-2013, 05:10 PM
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Re: WK2 Sump Protection Plate

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I'd vote for Aluminum I don't need it painted, you could consider matt or satin black anodising rather than painting.

I'd suggest some front to back strengthening ribs rather than thicker metal. The mounting bolts could then be countersunk into the strengthening ribs so that the heads are protected. Inserting an allen key into a crunched dome head is very difficult. You may need to consider bigger mounting bolts.

You could place mesh across any holes or slots to stop sticks.

I agree with allypally $350 + GST is a bit steep, you may struggle to find sales.

I'd be prepared to pay $250 + GST in bare aluminum.
Thanks for the input!

Our first prototype for the Sump Protection Plate was 6mm 5005 Aluminium. It got the job done, but deformed during 'testing' (ahem... hitting a large rock off-road). So we've moved to 3mm hardened steel for the design of the 2nd prototype, along with some strengthening cross bends. I'm hoping to have the 2nd prototype ready for testing in a week or two.

I'd love to do strengthening ribs and pockets, but unfortunately the costs associated with creating a tool for pressing ribs and pockets would raise the cost significantly.

We are also developing a 'Front Guard' for the area behind the front air dam, to protect the lower radiator, windshield washer bottle, ACC Camera and air suspension controller. I'll post more information about it and our Recovery Hooks soon.

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Thanks for the input!

Our first prototype for the Sump Protection Plate was 6mm 5005 Aluminium. It got the job done, but deformed during 'testing' (ahem... hitting a large rock off-road). So we've moved to 3mm hardened steel for the design of the 2nd prototype, along with some strengthening cross bends. I'm hoping to have the 2nd prototype ready for testing in a week or two.

I'd love to do strengthening ribs and pockets, but unfortunately the costs associated with creating a tool for pressing ribs and pockets would raise the cost significantly.

We are also developing a 'Front Guard' for the area behind the front air dam, to protect the lower radiator, windshield washer bottle, ACC Camera and air suspension controller. I'll post more information about it and our Recovery Hooks soon.

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Old 07-19-2013, 03:04 AM
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We are also developing a 'Front Guard' for the area behind the front air dam, to protect the lower radiator, windshield washer bottle, ACC Camera and air suspension controller. I'll post more information about it and our Recovery Hooks soon.

Cheers,
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Fantastic! This is the most vulnerable part of the Jeep, in fact ridiculously venerable for an off-roader. However, make sure the air still gets directed up to the radiators as it is with the current flimsy plastic air intake baffle. This will be critical to the caravans.
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:09 PM
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Re: WK2 Sump Protection Plate

I'm also interested in progress of your forward protection plate Bill, so will keep watch on this thread.

For the exercise, I quoted Rocky Road's hornbag looking lower bumper replacement and associated requisites at US$1600 delivered but bless them for actually offering us their great product.

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Re: WK2 Sump Protection Plate

Sorry for the delay on our Sump Protection Plate, I've been very busy lately. Researching manufacturers and suppliers. Organising the best possible shipping prices. Building our new website. Getting engineering certificates in place. I know everyone is anxious, but bear with me, I want to make sure every aspect of our products is the very best it can be. On the positive side, we have dozens of new products in the pipeline that will be available very soon.

We now have finalised design and CAD drawings for Chief Products WK2 Sump Protection Plate. There will be 2 versions, one standard and one deluxe. I'll post some 3D drawings and more detailed information soon.

And the final product will definitely be less than $1600!

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Re: WK2 Sump Protection Plate

That cardboard thingy is called a "Belly Pan, Front" Mopar#68037063AD. This is for the CRD's. I think the others are a bit different. I just tore mine off driving in sand with the air dam off as recommended by Jeep . What occurred to me is that the reason this is made of a flexible material could be that it connects the engine with the body. A rigid connection could transmit engine vibration to the body or stress parts in ways they were not intended to be stressed. I was thinking of maybe making something out of conveyor belting. Also, I suspect the belly pan plays a part in ducting air around the engine so driving without one for any length of time might not be a good idea. These are just ideas to through in the pot.
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That cardboard thingy is called a "Belly Pan, Front" Mopar#68037063AD. This is for the CRD's. I think the others are a bit different. I just tore mine off driving in sand with the air dam off as recommended by Jeep . What occurred to me is that the reason this is made of a flexible material could be that it connects the engine with the body. A rigid connection could transmit engine vibration to the body or stress parts in ways they were not intended to be stressed. I was thinking of maybe making something out of conveyor belting. Also, I suspect the belly pan plays a part in ducting air around the engine so driving without one for any length of time might not be a good idea. These are just ideas to through in the pot.
Good ideas BobT! With our prototype bolted in place we haven't noticed any additional vibrations, but we will keep an eye out. The plate bolts to the frame so I don't believe it will be stressing any parts that weren't intended to accommodate stress. I've asked many people why Jeep didn't make this part steel or at least provide a steel replacement bash plate for this area, and no one has had an answer, but my guess is that is interferes with crash testing. They want the front of the vehicle to crumple in a front end collision and a metal plate bolted here would inhibit that.

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I'd vote for Aluminum I don't need it painted, you could consider matt or satin black anodising rather than painting.

I'd suggest some front to back strengthening ribs rather than thicker metal. The mounting bolts could then be countersunk into the strengthening ribs so that the heads are protected. Inserting an allen key into a crunched dome head is very difficult. You may need to consider bigger mounting bolts.

You could place mesh across any holes or slots to stop sticks.

I agree with allypally $350 + GST is a bit steep, you may struggle to find sales.

I'd be prepared to pay $250 + GST in bare aluminum.
I just priced the plastic one, Belly Pan, Front #68037063AD. The stealers want $391.17 for it.
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I'd be interested in whatever solution you come up with, my previous Prado just had a pressed metal plate here.
I had a day on the beach yesterday and have after 1 trip almost lost/ destroyed the standard part much like BobT I am guessing.
Mine is also a CRD
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Re: WK2 Sump Protection Plate

At Stockton previously I hit a sand berm that bent the bumper cover in so far that it crushed the plastic air inlet duct that sits behind it. That needed replacing. The last time at Stockton, with the guys, I did as the manual suggests and removed the bumper cover. That was worse. The front of the plastic belly pan dug into the sand and ripped off the front fasteners. This caused it to bend back under the car. In so doing, the two front fender liners were pushed back against the wheels and damaged. All fixed now.

The plastic belly pan is a curious thing. I don't think it is intended to provide protection. It covers a very rigid structural member and the humongous roll bar so the plastic isn't going to do much by way of protection. The belly pan is actually a fairly tough foam sandwich with a kind of waffle pattern above. It looks to me that it is primarily there for sound proofing and to duct cooling air around the engine. I would think it should be left in place. I'm thinking that some form of bash plate that protects the leading edge of the belly pan and runs perhaps half the way back towards the engine but not to the engine, would be good.
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