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How about a plug n play reverse HID kit for an 07 WK?
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Rob, thanks for laying all the information out there for me to look at.

In short, NO, there is no advantage to using a CK socket over a conventional socket or vice versa. If you look closely at the sockets, you can see that a conventional bulb works for either because its incandescent filament can handle current in either direction and because it has a separate filament for the major and minor circuits.

An LED bulb, however, can NOT handle current in either direction (except for those fancy autolumination bulbs that are polarity-insensitive). Furthermore, an LED bulb does NOT have separate filaments. Basically, there are resistors inside the bulb that reduce the voltage for the running light circuit.

It's hard to visualize, but because of this differing circuit structure, if you put the bulb in a certain way, it won't light (as is typical with most LED bulbs). When that happens, what is that person's natural reaction? Reverse the bulb in the socket. Well now, you've created a direct path to ground for one of the circuits in the bulb, which is why you start popping fuses.

If I had to guess why Jeep did this in '07, I would guess it probably boils down to someone getting low bid during the parts procurement phase. This "low-bid" socket just happened to be CK. Jeep had no problems with this because a conventional bulb doesn't care and Jeep doesn't have to give any consideration to aftermarket parts support.

ANYWAYS...

What kind of harness do you have in mind? Leaving a spot to integrate a load resistor is easy enough, but I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you're looking for. Would you want the stock CK socket left in place and my harness would basically "adapt" it the conventional socket? Or are you looking for a rewire for the existing socket?

On my '98, I was actually able to take the sockets apart and move the pins in the socket around. I do not know if this would be possible with these sockets...

Thanks Jason.

For a harness, I was thinking a small harness that went from 3 pin 07 plug into a bulb socket where the socket was not CK. so they plug one end into the existing plug and the opther end hold the bulb. and it has the one long wire. ill make a ppic later and post it. my words may not make much sense. LOL





bro I had another question.

when i make my interior all leds I get the glow. Im talking the ones with the rear hatch in the circuit. how can i determine how much resistance is needed to make the light go off? can i do this somehow with my multimeter?

I guess the same q for any circuit? is there a way to determine how much resistance I need to trick it or is it more of a one at a time test?
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:48 AM
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Thanks Jason.

For a harness, I was thinking a small harness that went from 3 pin 07 plug into a bulb socket where the socket was not CK. so they plug one end into the existing plug and the opther end hold the bulb. and it has the one long wire. ill make a ppic later and post it. my words may not make much sense. LOL
Yeah, that's kinda what I was envisioning, too. I could make that harness easy enough, but the hard thing for me is finding that "bulb emulator" base. The WK LED tails have them, but believe it or not, I can't find them anywhere else. Do you have a source?

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bro I had another question.

when i make my interior all leds I get the glow. Im talking the ones with the rear hatch in the circuit. how can i determine how much resistance is needed to make the light go off? can i do this somehow with my multimeter?

I guess the same q for any circuit? is there a way to determine how much resistance I need to trick it or is it more of a one at a time test?
Rob, in general, the way you calculate a resistance is by knowing your end goal. Usually, this goal is an expected voltage drop or current flow. Unfortunately, this is a bit of a special case because we have a computer module in the mix that no one really knows anything about.

Most computer modules (and especially ones used in cars) are always sending a very little amount of regulated current through it's outputs (usually less than 10mA). There are several reasons they do this - usually it is for self-diagnostic purposes. In an incandescent circuit, this isn't a problem because the resistance is so high that the regulated current flow can't pass through the circuit.

In an all-LED circuit however, the resistance is so minute that this little current flow causes a glow. Hell, some LED's only use 10mA at FULL brightness.

So, the best advice I can give you is to do some trial and error. It doesn't take much resistance. I know a lot of people combat the glow by leaving their hatch light as a normal bulb. This can give us an indication of how much resistance we need. The standard 579 bulb is rated for 10.24 watts at a rated voltage of 12.8. This means the bulb consumes:

I = P/V = 10.24/12.8 = 0.8 amps (which jives with Sylvania's ratings)

This means that the bulb has an approximate resistance of:

R = V/I = 12.8/0.8 = 16 ohms

SOOOOO, if you wanted to be absolutely sure that you have enough resistance in the circuit, get something 16 ohms OR LESS (because as resistance goes UP, current draw goes DOWN). A 6-ohm resistor like we use for turn signals works great for me. However, I'd be willing to bet that you could get away with more resistance. If I had it to do over again, I'd give this a shot (I'd buy generic, of course):

http://www.v-leds.com/BlinkerWarning...81145-1-2.html

This one is rated at 25W - smaller resistor than the ones we use for turn signals. They make a 10W resistor now, too. I'd prob try that one instead:

http://www.v-leds.com/BlinkerWarning...40218-1-2.html

If you do try it and it works, be sure to let us know. Any other questions, just ask.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:51 AM
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How about a plug n play reverse HID kit for an 07 WK?
Me and a guy named DCSpecial actually looked at doing this about a year and a half ago. The missing link here is an adapter that screws into the back of the taillight housing and allows you to use an HID bulb. We looked at it but it would have to be a custom piece. In the end, the epoxy method wins out because it really isn't that hard and it is dirt cheap. Most people just have this fear of epoxying it (like I did). When you get over that fear, it really is simple.

The wiring portion would be easy enough, IF I could ever find those "bulb emulators" I referenced in my last post.
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Please work on those bulb emulators I want reverse HIDs
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I ask because this site had them, but the ballasts look like poopoo

http://taillight.xglobal.net/hid_lighting.htm
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I ask because this site had them, but the ballasts look like poopoo

http://taillight.xglobal.net/hid_lighting.htm
LOL, you know that's CopOut right? The dude that stole my rear fog harness design and now claims he is the inventor.

The little reverse harness he has in the picture is easily made, but you still have to epoxy the bulbs in. I can make dang near anything, but it comes down to cost. Why go to the expense of having me make a hand made custom harness when it's something anyone can do for pennies on the dollar? And I'm more than willing to walk anyone through the process.

Making "adapters" or "emulators" is hard for someone to justify. By the time you get something machined or molded, it's going to cost an arm and a leg and no one is going to want to buy them.

I seriously recommend the epoxy route. It's secure, cheap, easy, and contrary to popular belief, it IS reversible. If a bulb fails, you can take it out and the epoxy will break right off. Then you just epoxy a new bulb in. And that, in and of itself, is highly unlikely. I have had reverse HID's in my Jeep for nearly 3 years now and haven't had a single instance of the bulbs not lighting.

The adapters might appeal to some, but I think a good how-to writeup with good pictures using the epoxy method would make believers out of everyone. It really isn't that difficult. And it costs a whopping $2-$3. I'm sure a set of adapters would have a price point in the range of $75 or so.
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I've been rocking the super glued in HID reverse lights since the summer of 09 with no issues.

Custom machining an adapter would be the cleanest option, but I gave up trying to get that made.

Drilling out the stock sockets like I did back after I glued mine in is another option.
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i did jason's method on sunday and worked like a charm! big thanks to him and robpp for the help!!!! how to with pics will be up shortly!!!
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