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Old 07-24-2013, 08:23 AM
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Disagree. Unibody means its a monocoque, crossovers are cars; which are usually monocoques, pumped up to look off roaderish, for town folk who want to sit higher than a car, but which still feels like a car to drive, and costs the same a car to run/maintain.

My Jeep Commander fails on all those, so its a truck ..... although I'm tempted to lump any 2wd Jeep into the crossover camp
Again, according to Wiki (references given), a unibody does not mean its a monocoque. A monocoque requires the external skin to carry the load.

Also, a unibody, monocoque or a body on frame vehicle is not a car or truck or bird or plane. It is a vehicle design regardless of the type of vehicle it is applied to. Defining something as a car just because it has a unibody is technically incorrect.

The Grand Cherokee has a unibody construction. It is as simple as that. It is still a Jeep that is technically considered a CUV by definition. It is not a body-on-frame SUV.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:07 PM
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

My personal definition (not what Wiki thinks) of a crossover is taking what was considered a station wagon or sedan in the 90's and putting in AWD. It doesn't have off road capability like 4low and clearance in SUV. In the 90's station wagon was seen as a not so cool family utilized vehicle. To make it more cool they started calling it a crossover and pushing it as off road capable which is a joke. I've run across several of them trying to go on trails in Colorado and get into more then they can handle.

The Grand Cherokee from the beginning was wanting to combine SUV and CUV by going unibody. Combines car like ride with off road capability. Since then every new model has been going more CUV with less off road. Factors have been regulations to lower them and only 2 percent actually off road. Jeep figures that small group will eventually go Wrangler. What they didn't expect is old SUV market is moving to wrangler in a larger wave because those people don't want CUV. They want off road capability even if they don't off road. One reason would be for getting around in deep snow during winter.
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

Yep, there is no denying that the GC has changed and now combines more comforts of the car such as a unibody construction and independent suspension. The removal of the solid axle is when many think it became a CUV. By definition, the JGC is a crossover but not in the way that most think.

The JGC retained much of its off-road abilities which most CUVs don't have which is why many people refuse to see it as a CUV.
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Yep, there is no denying that the GC has changed and now combines more comforts of the car such as a unibody construction and independent suspension. The removal of the solid axle is when many think it became a CUV. By definition, the JGC is a crossover but not in the way that most think.

The JGC retained much of its off-road abilities which most CUVs don't have which is why many people refuse to see it as a CUV.
They were always Unibody.... My camaro must be a crossover also.. Or is it a truck? It has a solid rear axle but its a unibody?? Lol
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

And who the hell voted "Yes"? ...yuppy wankers.
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

Well monocoque/unibody seems to be generally interchangeable rightly or wrongly, but the majority of people wouldn't consider a 2.5 tonne off roader as being a 'crossover' in comparison to vehicles marketed as crossovers, no matter how the Jeep is constructed.

So whilst the letter of the law says you're right, the spirit of the law; public perception, is that a Jeep GC isn't a crossover.

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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

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Well monocoque/unibody seems to be generally interchangeable rightly or wrongly, but the majority of people wouldn't consider a 2.5 tonne off roader as being a 'crossover' in comparison to vehicles marketed as crossovers, no matter how the Jeep is constructed.

So whilst the letter of the law says you're right, the spirit of the law; public perception, is that a Jeep GC isn't a crossover.

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I agree 100%. I'm not sure why it is so important for people to see the Jeep as something besides a crossover. It is just a definition. The Jeep is still a Jeep and can still do the same things no matter what you call it.
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

Just to Add: My college professors would balk at the idea that a wiki page is fact, even with some references.

A crossover is a marketing term, that has been adopted, adapted, and changed around to meet the needs of the user. Since it has been used enough, wee are now trying to standardize it.

The only crossover Jeeps KBB has listed are the compass and patriot. I do not believe edmunds lists any of the jeeps as crossovers. Take that for what it's worth.
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

The problem here is using wiki as a legitimate source of technical information. And while the Jeep is a unibody, the subframes under that unibody make for one very sturdy vehicle. I'd like to see a RAV4 tow 7500 lbs...
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

Just look under your Jeep. A crossover is not built like a tank like our Jeeps are.
I generally don't refer to it as a truck but it's sure as heck an SUV. For the uninformed masses, I think crossover is just another word for SUV. But I would see no need to correct anyone. Leave them alone in their beliefs. No harm done, and really what's in a name?
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

Love how people are actually getting pissed at what other people call their vehicles. Kind of pathetic really. The Grand Cherokee is by definition a crossover. From day 1, the 93 ZJ was built as a unibody. The XJ Cherokee and Wranglers are built with actual frames. Think of it this way, you can put a body lift on a Cherokee but not on a Grand Cherokee. And why does it really matter what the vehicle is designated by? This is the same level of stupidity as people buying H2s and thinking they can now drive through mountains. At least the ZJ & WJ had actual axles. If it makes you feel better, call it a truck or a tank or a spaceship, i'll just call it a Jeep.
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