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Old 08-06-2013, 02:09 PM
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Just look under your Jeep. A crossover is not built like a tank like our Jeeps are.
I generally don't refer to it as a truck but it's sure as heck an SUV. For the uninformed masses, I think crossover is just another word for SUV. But I would see no need to correct anyone. Leave them alone in their beliefs. No harm done, and really what's in a name?
Now that just might make the Grand Cherokee the only crossover built like a tank.


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Love how people are actually getting pissed at what other people call their vehicles. Kind of pathetic really. The Grand Cherokee is by definition a crossover. From day 1, the 93 ZJ was built as a unibody. The XJ Cherokee and Wranglers are built with actual frames. Think of it this way, you can put a body lift on a Cherokee but not on a Grand Cherokee. And why does it really matter what the vehicle is designated by? This is the same level of stupidity as people buying H2s and thinking they can now drive through mountains. At least the ZJ & WJ had actual axles. If it makes you feel better, call it a truck or a tank or a spaceship, i'll just call it a Jeep.
I am not angry about anything but frankly the reason people do get mad, is you cannot put an Aztec in the same category as a Mercedes GL Series. But according to the Internet they do. I also cannot agree with the category assignment.... The JGC has a far Stiffer construction than my Yukon did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_(automobile)

Edit, not quoting Wiki as correct but rather bringing back forward the prior example.... Frankly someone needs to make a larger version of the platform and put a truck bed in it and this arguement will be resolved. That would also drive better and be a stiffer platform.
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:16 PM
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Frankly someone needs to make a larger version of the platform and put a truck bed in it and this arguement will be resolved. That would also drive better and be a stiffer platform.
I wouldn't drive a unibody truck. Might as well just take a van and cut the roof off turn the rear into a bed. But hey, you could call it the Honda Odd Odyssey, so theres that.

Look, the Grand Cherokee is in fact a crossover, that is it's definition. It is a unibody sport utility vehicle. No one should be arguing that. I dont understand why people get their panties in a bunch? It's just what this type of vehicle is called. And no one should argue that the Jeep is best in its class off road. It blends the off road capability with great on road manners. Sounds kind of like crossing a truck with a car doesn't it?
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I wouldn't drive a unibody truck. Might as well just take a van and cut the roof off turn the rear into a bed. But hey, you could call it the Honda Odd Odyssey, so theres that.

Look, the Grand Cherokee is in fact a crossover, that is it's definition. It is a unibody sport utility vehicle. No one should be arguing that. I dont understand why people get their panties in a bunch? It's just what this type of vehicle is called. And no one should argue that the Jeep is best in its class off road. It blends the off road capability with great on road manners. Sounds kind of like crossing a truck with a car doesn't it?
Why wouldn't you want a unibody truck? You know the Honda ridgeline and the new 2015 f150, allegedly, are unibody right?
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I wouldn't drive a unibody truck. Might as well just take a van and cut the roof off turn the rear into a bed. But hey, you could call it the Honda Odd Odyssey, so theres that.

Look, the Grand Cherokee is in fact a crossover, that is it's definition. It is a unibody sport utility vehicle. No one should be arguing that. I dont understand why people get their panties in a bunch? It's just what this type of vehicle is called. And no one should argue that the Jeep is best in its class off road. It blends the off road capability with great on road manners. Sounds kind of like crossing a truck with a car doesn't it?


Bad example, M Vans from GM were all body on frame.

Was not arguing with anyone... I know from experience that the Unibody frame and hardware mounting methods used in the ML Platform (JGC) are far superior to other "SUV"s in the market. Don't really care what they are referred to as, it certainly is a stiffer more capable design than full size "SUV"s for the most part. Even if you believe Land Rover is the better off road machine, you better prepare yourself because it is going to be a "crossover" too. Frame Technology cannot keep up with Unibody tech... only purpose for a frame is if you need to attach over 10,000 pounds to it and tow.

Land Rover to Use All-Aluminum Unibody for a Number of Upcoming Models

In Fact I doubt anything 1/2 ton and under will have a frame very soon (F-150)
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To some, once you take it off a frame and switch to unibody it is no longer a truck. I see plenty of references to Jeeps as cars. After all, it has wussy, computer controlled 4 wheel drive.

I just call it a Jeep. I don't understand being offended by what somebody calls my vehicle.



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Bingo

uni-body construction - cross over
frame - SUV

Does not imply good or bad. Unibody construction rides better
OK, now I am really interested in what we will call the 2015 F-150.... a Crossover ?

I don't care whether we call this stuff trucks, cars or Jeeps either, I think people just need to know that the reference of trucks=frame will be gone in less than a decade. Once the new F-150 is out, the rest of them will follow suite I expect.

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Bad example, M Vans from GM were all body on frame.

Was not arguing with anyone... I know from experience that the Unibody frame and hardware mounting methods used in the ML Platform (JGC) are far superior to other "SUV"s in the market. Don't really care what they are referred to as, it certainly is a stiffer more capable design than full size "SUV"s for the most part. Even if you believe Land Rover is the better off road machine, you better prepare yourself because it is going to be a "crossover" too. Frame Technology cannot keep up with Unibody tech... only purpose for a frame is if you need to attach over 10,000 pounds to it and tow.

Land Rover to Use All-Aluminum Unibody for a Number of Upcoming Models

In Fact I doubt anything 1/2 ton and under will have a frame very soon (F-150)
lol, who said anything about off roading? The ZJ & WJ (previous version of the GC) were excellent off road vehicles. With the right set up, you can flex out their axles and go just about anywhere. Crossover vehicles can be right at home off road. Unibody is in fact old technology but are necessary if you plan on towing something with some actual weight. Hell, i've seen Honda Accord's with a hitch pull a jet skis before. But you sure as hell wouldn't want to do that with a real boat even if you put a V10 diesel under the hood of the Accord.

Again, arguing about the fact that the Grand Cherokee has always been unibody useless. I don't care what you want to call it, it's a Jeep.
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Why wouldn't you want a unibody truck? You know the Honda ridgeline and the new 2015 f150, allegedly, are unibody right?
I already have a Hemi V8 Jeep to pull small stuff. If I were to buy a truck that needed to tow something, it sure as hell would have a frame and a diesel motor.
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I already have a Hemi V8 Jeep to pull small stuff. If I were to buy a truck that needed to tow something, it sure as hell would have a frame and a diesel motor.
I towed 7200 Pounds every weekend 7 months of the year with my ML320... My Yukon lasted only one year after it started getting all loose and that is why I bought an ML and also why I have ordered a Diesel Grand Cherokee. If it wasen't for the length and the lighter curb weight, it would also be rated higher than my Yukon was... The ML was certainly more capable.

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lol, who said anything about off roading? The ZJ & WJ (previous version of the GC) were excellent off road vehicles. With the right set up, you can flex out their axles and go just about anywhere. Crossover vehicles can be right at home off road. Unibody is in fact old technology but are necessary if you plan on towing something with some actual weight. Hell, i've seen Honda Accord's with a hitch pull a jet skis before. But you sure as hell wouldn't want to do that with a real boat even if you put a V10 diesel under the hood of the Accord.

Again, arguing about the fact that the Grand Cherokee has always been unibody useless. I don't care what you want to call it, it's a Jeep.
You mentioned Off Road, it was in your post of which i directly referenced, I will use extra quotes below.

Interesting perspective, "unbody useless" guess you will only be driving 3/4 ton pickups 10 years from now.
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