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I towed 7200 Pounds every weekend 7 months of the year with my ML320... My Yukon lasted only one year after it started getting all loose and that is why I bought an ML and also why I have ordered a Diesel Grand Cherokee. If it wasen't for the length and the lighter curb weight, it would also be rated higher than my Yukon was... The ML was certainly more capable.



You mentioned Off Road, it was in your post of which i directly referenced, I will use extra quotes below.

Interesting perspective, "unbody useless" guess you will only be driving 3/4 ton pickups 10 years from now.
oh geeze, that one actually is my bad. I'm doing like 10 things at once at work, I meant to write "arguing about the fact that the Grand Cherokee has always been unibody IS useless." Because, it has and most likely always will be unibody. And about driving a pick up 3/4 ton pick up, that is a yes. The boat's gotta get out of the water sometimes lol.
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oh geeze, that one actually is my bad. I'm doing like 10 things at once at work, I meant to write "arguing about the fact that the Grand Cherokee has always been unibody IS useless." Because, it has and most likely always will be unibody. And about driving a pick up 3/4 ton pick up, that is a yes. The boat's gotta get out of the water sometimes lol.
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I am a believer of the right vehicle for the job as well... the 3/4 + 1/2 ton Longhorns I drove stuck about 16-24" out of my driveway. so that was out.
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

What I always find funny about these discussions is how they differ from the real world's view of these things. (No ... this is not the real world, it's the internet) Most people don't know the difference between unibody, body on frame, or a pair of roller skates.

They tow their boats, go to the beach or down some fire breaks or whatever. The things work in spite of their ignorance ... and they are happy.

A few weeks ago I saw a bunch of KIAs on the beach They were parked below the high water line and the tide was coming in. There were no reports of any people or vehicles drowning.


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What I always find funny about these discussions is how they differ from the real world's view of these things. (No ... this is not the real world, it's the internet) Most people don't know the difference between unibody, body on frame, or a pair of roller skates.

They tow their boats, go to the beach or down some fire breaks or whatever. The things work in spite of their ignorance ... and they are happy.

A few weeks ago I saw a bunch of KIAs on the beach They were parked below the high water line and the tide was coming in. There were no reports of any people or vehicles drowning.

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I am a believer of the right vehicle for the job as well... the 3/4 + 1/2 ton Longhorns I drove stuck about 16-24" out of my driveway. so that was out.
My buddy picked up a Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi to pull the boat with. Drove it for 3 days. On day 4 boating season started so we drove to pick up the boat out of storage (had some work done on it too). Put the thing on the hitch and drove it to the marina. Needless to say, the next day we went back to the Dodge dealer for a 2500 Diesel lol.
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Personally I just enjoy a good discussion... even if I am playing devils advocate.

You every think about providing counseling to troubled youths Bill? Your calm perspective on things could stop a war. The fishing must give you this zen like view
I never said I didn't enjoy it.

BTW - I used to be a troubled youth.

Now I'm a troubled old fart.

As for fishing, I just threw all the gear in my cross-over for an early start tomorrow.


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They tow their boats, go to the beach or down some fire breaks or whatever. The things work in spite of their ignorance ... and they are happy.
The places we would take and things my brother and I used to do with an '80 Toyota Tercel were far, FAR beyond "design specifications". We literally crawled all over the Nevada desert with that thing.

We threw it up steep hills, off camber inclines (on shale -- that's real fun), off road across saddles (my brother would guide me around the rocks). Rampaging around dirt roads of questionable maintenance.

Did you know you could jump and get air in a Tercel? We found out (yes, you can).

We got it stuck once, in sand. A crash course in open differentials. We dug it out (with our hands or a stick likely), and shoved a branch underneath the wheel and rode it out of the hole.

We never broke it. The thing just took it. We developed a rattle, but it could well have been a loose rock stuck in something.

Crummy tires, no ground clearance, 60 HP (my motorcycles have more than that), no torque. Lucky to get it to 75-80 on the highway.

But super light weight, front wheel drive (apparently Toyotas first). Heater worked great (we didn't have AC). It also had an AM radio, bring on Casey Kasem and American Top Forty! Just a solid workhorse. What a great car that was.

Ignorance is bliss, in its way.

Mind I'm not saying what we did was smart. We learned all sorts of things to never try again.
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

Reading all this philosopical debate is interesting to see how passionate people get about names and classifications.

Was there so much disagreement when the Term SUV first came on the scene?

I remember when a full size Chevy Blazer/GMC Jimmy, Ford Bronco, Dodge Ram charger were all called trucks. Then they sort of became associated with Outdoor sportmen, a little more time passed next thing you know the Term Sports Utility Vehicle started to get thrown around when vehicles like the Nissan pathfinder, S10 blazer, Bronco II/Explorer, Isuzu Trooper all hit the scene in droves.

There is no argument to the usefulness and marketing behind these vehicles worked. We are not a country that thinks station wagons are cool, Hell No! we think trucks are cool and we love our families and we feel safer in a vehicle with higher ground clearance. So this helped with the appeal as to why most families have an SUV or feel they should have an SUV as a family vehicle.


I am old enough to remember the AMC eagle and Spirit AWD cars they are definitely the first thing I would credit as a Crossover but they were 30 something years ahead of their time.

Back in 1984 when my family had just bought a new XJ Cherokee (1st couple of years had the chevy 2.8 V6 under the hood before the inline 6 showed up) all references to that vehicle was "COMPACT Sport wagon"

The jeep Cherokee/Grand Cherokee has always been in a class of its own and it has always been expensive and well appointed.

CUV is just a new buzz word especially for us in america, Many other countries have had simple utilitarian cars turned into country cruisers, so while the body may have been shared with a volume compact, there was still a niche variant just to expand the model range for those that needed something a little more rugged but not a full on 4x4.

I personally remember when the RAV4 came out, I said "how could you take that thing seriously offroading?" But it didn't matter because people bought them anyway and they slowly replaced station wagons and cemented there place into american society right next to the pickup truck.

I think the other poster is rigth, the JGC will get a little softer, which I have no problem with, and they will steer anyone that wants a real rugged SUV into a wrangler.
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

I too think it is funny how much people want to call their Jeep something other than a crossover. The poll in this thread should says "do you call your jeep a crossover or something else?" Technically everyone who said no for the current poll as it is worded is incorrect.

I don't care what you call your Jeep, but I do care about ignorance.
Is the JGC a crossover? Yes.
Do you have to call it one? No.
Should you pay attention to the wording of questions? Yes.

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Wow, Studio, what an attitude you have. You really should chill out. Read the question again. The question was "what do we think". I suspect most of us don't know or even care other than superficially what a crossover is. We simply don't think of our JGC as being one, that's all.

Non-Jeep people might think otherwise. And they might even be right (I don't think so) but who really cares about a name? We're all owners: we're the ones that put our money where our mouth is. We gave our opinions and answered the poll honestly.

But according to you, 88 percent are wrong or stupid. WTF...that's pretty rich!
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Wow, Studio, what an attitude you have. You really should chill out. Read the question again. The question was "what do we think". I suspect most of us don't know or even care other than superficially what a crossover is. We simply don't think of our JGC as being one, that's all.

Non-Jeep people might think otherwise. And they might even be right (I don't think so) but who really cares about a name? We're all owners: we're the ones that put our money where our mouth is. We gave our opinions and answered the poll honestly.

But according to you, 88 percent are wrong or stupid. WTF...that's pretty rich!
Hmm, maybe you are seeing a different poll than me. When I look at the question it says "Are our Jeeps crossovers?". I don't see anything about "think". Also, there is a big difference in ignorant and stupid. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge while stupid is dumb. I chose the word ignorant to refer to the fact that many are not aware of the unibody construction of a JGC. The question "Are our Jeeps crossovers?" is not subjective. There is only one answer which has nothing to do with opinion or stupidity.

I am sorry that my use of the word ignorance offended you but it does not mean, and was not intended to mean, stupid.
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