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Old 08-08-2013, 11:27 AM
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

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Hmm, maybe you are seeing a different poll than me. When I look at the question it says "Are our Jeeps crossovers?". I don't see anything about "think". Also, there is a big difference in ignorant and stupid. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge while stupid is dumb. I chose the word ignorant to refer to the fact that many are not aware of the unibody construction of a JGC. The question "Are our Jeeps crossovers?" is not subjective. There is only one answer which has nothing to do with opinion or stupidity.

I am sorry that my use of the word ignorance offended you but it does not mean, and was not intended to mean, stupid.
+1. Its so bizarre that people are offended by a car designation. Its like arguing if the sun is the center of our solar system or something, obviously it is but if the only way you sleep at night is pretending that you are the center of the universe then by all means booboo.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:29 AM
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

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Hmm, maybe you are seeing a different poll than me. When I look at the question it says "Are our Jeeps crossovers?". I don't see anything about "think". Also, there is a big difference in ignorant and stupid. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge while stupid is dumb. I chose the word ignorant to refer to the fact that many are not aware of the unibody construction of a JGC. The question "Are our Jeeps crossovers?" is not subjective. There is only one answer which has nothing to do with opinion or stupidity.

I am sorry that my use of the word ignorance offended you but it does not mean, and was not intended to mean, stupid.
One of my father's favorite sayings. He would be 103 this year.

It certainly is, since there is no absolute definition, only opinions of what some think the definition should be.

I believe it to be a crossover, but I'm neither right or wrong, it's just my opinion. By some of today's standards, an old station wagon is more a truck than some trucks.


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Old 08-08-2013, 04:38 PM
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

1) Crossovers listed on Wiki .. no GC there ...

2) The Jeep website, lists them as midsize SUVs, only Patriot & Compass as Crossovers.

Contradictions:

Some article writer seem to think that the 2011 redo, the GC 'became' a crossover ..

Autotrader seems to also think the 2013 & 2014 models are SUV crossovers.

I would go with what the manufacturers call it .. therefore not a crossover .. end of discussion

Can be worse, such as 'oversized shopping trolley' ...

can we go back to talking about modding our TRUCKS ?
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1) Crossovers listed on Wiki .. no GC there ...

2) The Jeep website, lists them as midsize SUVs, only Patriot & Compass as Crossovers.

Contradictions:

Some article writer seem to think that the 2011 redo, the GC 'became' a crossover ..

Autotrader seems to also think the 2013 & 2014 models are SUV crossovers.

I would go with what the manufacturers call it .. therefore not a crossover .. end of discussion

Can be worse, such as 'oversized shopping trolley' ...

can we go back to talking about modding our TRUCKS ?
lol, give it a rest, Yes the Grand Cherokee HAS ALWAYS BEEN A UNIBODY SUV. Yes, it is by definition crossover.
Even in your WIKI link, which apparently you haven't even read, states that it is in fact a crossover.
3rd paragraph
"Most crossovers produced by mass market auto manufacturers are front wheel drive. However, luxury carmakers such as BMW, Infiniti, and Mercedes (which also includes a Jeep WK2 derivative underpinning the 2011-present Grand Cherokee)"
And under "crossover examples"
Semi-offroaders: e.g., Fiat Palio Adventure, Ford Fiesta Trail, Nissan Livina X-Gear, Jeep Compass, Jeep Grand Cherokee (2005-), Peugeot Escapade, etc.
If you want to start citing BS sources like Wikipedia, at least look at them beforehand
Heres another source, Edmunds.com yes, they say that it is a crossover.
Car Finder - Find A Car & Browse New Cars | Edmunds.com
From day 1 the Grand Cherokee separated itself from the XJ Cherokee and the Wrangler as having a UNIBODY and not being a BODY ON FRAME (like a pickup truck).
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

LOL. This is getting ludicrous. You're saying that Car Finder claims that the XJ was body on frame? Well that pretty much discredits any opinion they might have on this subject. This is hilarious!
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

OK, so let's assume SUV and CUV are marketing terms. Neither the Manufacturers or the websites sourced here seem to agree on classification. So I got to thinking what does the government think? So I pulled out my vehicle registration (california) and it says "UT". So I look it up and it says "UTILITY" So there you have it. It's a utility vehicle.

30.010 CHART 1

Apparently California doesn't really care if it's a SUV or a CUV. They just know that our jeep is Utilitarian!
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Hmm, maybe you are seeing a different poll than me. When I look at the question it says "Are our Jeeps crossovers?". I don't see anything about "think". Also, there is a big difference in ignorant and stupid. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge while stupid is dumb. I chose the word ignorant to refer to the fact that many are not aware of the unibody construction of a JGC. The question "Are our Jeeps crossovers?" is not subjective. There is only one answer which has nothing to do with opinion or stupidity.

I am sorry that my use of the word ignorance offended you but it does not mean, and was not intended to mean, stupid.
If the question is "Are Jeeps Crossovers" there wouldn't be a reason to have a poll, would there? That's the whole purpose of a poll...to gather opinions.
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

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lol, give it a rest, Yes the Grand Cherokee HAS ALWAYS BEEN A UNIBODY SUV. Yes, it is by definition crossover.
Even in your WIKI link, which apparently you haven't even read, states that it is in fact a crossover.
3rd paragraph
"Most crossovers produced by mass market auto manufacturers are front wheel drive. However, luxury carmakers such as BMW, Infiniti, and Mercedes (which also includes a Jeep WK2 derivative underpinning the 2011-present Grand Cherokee)"
And under "crossover examples"
Semi-offroaders: e.g., Fiat Palio Adventure, Ford Fiesta Trail, Nissan Livina X-Gear, Jeep Compass, Jeep Grand Cherokee (2005-), Peugeot Escapade, etc.
If you want to start citing BS sources like Wikipedia, at least look at them beforehand
Heres another source, Edmunds.com yes, they say that it is a crossover.
Car Finder - Find A Car & Browse New Cars | Edmunds.com
From day 1 the Grand Cherokee separated itself from the XJ Cherokee and the Wrangler as having a UNIBODY and not being a BODY ON FRAME (like a pickup truck).
Hmmm, yea I skimmed through the list on Wiki. The point being (amidst the clear lack of seriousness on the subject ) that on the MANUFACTURERS link, when you click on Crossovers, the GC is not listed, and when clicking on SUVs, there it is! Not that this is any real 'proof' of vehicle classification, Not like this topic needs to be proved

anyways .. I call it a Jeep, or a truck, one day ... when it has served its purpose and there is no more life left in it, It will be put it in the sea and called a dive site
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Re: Are our jeeps crossovers?

and another Wiki article contradicts the one I referenced (this time I read it ).

According to EuroNCAP, there are no crossovers at all ... perfect world! they call it a 'Large Offroad 4x4'.
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anyways .. I call it a Jeep, or a truck, one day ... when it has served its purpose and there is no more life left in it, It will be put it in the sea and called a dive site
Yeah...but I could also call that an artificial reef (just joking).
Seriously, you made some great comments on this thread, EPonx!
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I still say suv. Its a unibody that doesn't share a build with a car.

If i put bug tires on my Trans Am does that make it a cross over or suv? It's a unibody and has a hatch. With big tires it would be as good off road as most crossovers.....


?? Or do i need to put a roof rack over my t-tops!?? Lol
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If A Jeep Grand Cherokee is a "crossover" what did it cross over from? Maybe a Jeep? A Grand Wagoneer? How about a Cherokee? Gimme a break! If my JGC is not an SUV, I'd like somebody to show me something that IS an SUV!
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