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Old 10-27-2010, 08:58 PM
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Re: Fluids and dealer giving me run around!

I paid $50 for the T-Case Fluid. The Fluid I used had the Additive in it already.

I changed the fluid myself. I asked the dealership and asked how much it would cost to do a T-case FLuid Change and they told me $115. I said so quickly place direct me to the parts department.
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Re: Fluids and dealer giving me run around!

i lazied out on mine. we have a local independent oil change place. owner operated kind of thing. I went there. Brought all my oown stuff. 70 bux plus tax. 75.xx done. And there was no one there I swear there were 3 in the pit, one on each operation.

and I used a Advanced Auto Parts coupon to get all my stuff real cheap.




but do yourself a favor. keep all records, even mark on something when you do it. a bro of mine is getting hasseled for warranty as he told them he does all his own stuff and didnt have the reciepts. his lawyer had to call the dealer and remind them he said he didnt have them WITH HIM and would be there with them the next day.

anyway, document it all. and it was a FORD not a Jeep.
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Old 10-28-2010, 06:23 AM
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Re: Fluids and dealer giving me run around!

If you have QT-II or QD-II you HAVE to use the NV245/247/249 fluid from the dealer - don't put ATF+4 in it (only allowed if you have QT-I). Transfer case fluid doesn't have any kind of additive in it, that is only the diff fluid.

M1 75W-140 is fine in the axles. Should be around $18/quart at Advance and they usually have coupons floating around like Rob said.
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Re: Fluids and dealer giving me run around!

I bought some Red Line 75W140 for the diffs in my 06 5.7 QDII. The Red Line oil already has the Limited Slip additive in it. I bought mine right from Red Line - http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=134&pcid=4 for around $66 a gallon shipped, but a friend of mine told me the other day that Summit has it for the same price and about half the shipping cost. I used the 75W90 in my Dodge Dakota w/ a LS rear diff for years (135,000 miles - changed every 40,000 miles) - all good. On a side note, who else has the NV245 transfer case fluid for the QDII? By federal law, if a vehicle has a maintenance item necessary for the warranty to remain in force, that is only available from the manufacturer, they have to include the cost of the maintenance item in the cost of the vehicle (read - 'free').
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:07 AM
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I run Amsoil in everything except trans. Diffs, T-case, engine, air and oil filter. Wix trans filter. All of this cost about 300 total. Oh and spark plugs NGK Vpower
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Re: Fluids and dealer giving me run around!

@lewi - What Amsoil product do you use in the transfer case? When I do a look-up for an '06 GC 5.7 QDII on the Amsoil website, it takes me to Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil - SAE 5W-30 (ATH). The 'Specifications' for this oil are shown on the site as follows:

SPECIFICATIONS
AMSOIL Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil is recommended for applications that require any of the listed specifications:
ABEX/Dennison – Hyd. Fluid HF-0 All pumps, HF-2, HF-1
AGCO/Duetz-Allis/Allis-Chalmers – Power Fluid 821 XL272843, 257541, 246634
AGCO White Farm (Oliver) – Q-1826, Q-1802, Q-1766B, Q-1722, Q-1705, Type 55
Allison – C-4, C-3, C-2
API GL-4
Case New Holland (CNH) – MAT 3505 (MS 1209), MS-1207 (Hy-TranŽ Plus), 3506 (MS 1210) (TCH Fluid JIC145), 3509 (MS 1230, M2C48-C) Poclain Equip. high-pressure systems, 3525 (FNHA-2-C-201.00, M2C134D), 3526 (FNHA-2-C 200.00 winter grade), 3510 (MS-1317, GL-4), B-6, MS-1206 (PTF), MS-1205 (TFD-II), MS-1204 (TFD), JIC-185, JIC-144, JIC-143, B-5, M2C86-B & C, M2C53-A, M2C41-B
Caterpillar – TO-2
Clark – TA 12, TA 18, HR 500, HR 600
Dresser CED – Trans/Hyd Fluid
Deutz Fahr
Fendt (Non-Vario)
Ford – ESN M2C86B, M2C86C
Hesston Fiat – Oilofi at Tutela Multi-F, AF-87
John Deere – J20C, J20D (winter grade), J20A/B, J14B, JD 303, J21A
Komatsu
Kubota – UDT
Landini – Tractor II Hyd. Fluid
Massey-Ferguson – M-1141 (PermatranŽIII), M-1135, M1143, M1145, M1129-A, M-1127-A/B, M-1110
Renault – Renault Transmissions
Steiger – Hyd/Trans SEMS 17001
Sundstrand – Hydrostatic Transmission Fluid
VCE – WB-101
Versatile – Recommended for use in Valmet, Yanmar, New idea Power Units, Leyland, Belarus, Fiat M2C134-D FNHA-2-C-201.00, Spec 24M, Spec 23M
ZF – TE-ML 03E, 05F, 06K, 17E
As you can see, the 'Specifications' list doesn't seem to show any Mopar or Jeep specifications as compatible. This makes me a little nervous, seeing as the container likely doesn't reference any MOPAR spec either. If this oil was a suitable replacement for the NV245, one would tend to think it would be listed in the specifications list. Is there some other specification that lends itself to verifying the suitability of this oil in our QDII transfer cases?
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Old 10-28-2010, 03:58 PM
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Re: Fluids and dealer giving me run around!

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@lewi - What Amsoil product do you use in the transfer case? When I do a look-up for an '06 GC 5.7 QDII on the Amsoil website, it takes me to Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil - SAE 5W-30 (ATH). The 'Specifications' for this oil are shown on the site as follows:

SPECIFICATIONS
AMSOIL Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil is recommended for applications that require any of the listed specifications:
ABEX/Dennison – Hyd. Fluid HF-0 All pumps, HF-2, HF-1
AGCO/Duetz-Allis/Allis-Chalmers – Power Fluid 821 XL272843, 257541, 246634
AGCO White Farm (Oliver) – Q-1826, Q-1802, Q-1766B, Q-1722, Q-1705, Type 55
Allison – C-4, C-3, C-2
API GL-4
Case New Holland (CNH) – MAT 3505 (MS 1209), MS-1207 (Hy-TranŽ Plus), 3506 (MS 1210) (TCH Fluid JIC145), 3509 (MS 1230, M2C48-C) Poclain Equip. high-pressure systems, 3525 (FNHA-2-C-201.00, M2C134D), 3526 (FNHA-2-C 200.00 winter grade), 3510 (MS-1317, GL-4), B-6, MS-1206 (PTF), MS-1205 (TFD-II), MS-1204 (TFD), JIC-185, JIC-144, JIC-143, B-5, M2C86-B & C, M2C53-A, M2C41-B
Caterpillar – TO-2
Clark – TA 12, TA 18, HR 500, HR 600
Dresser CED – Trans/Hyd Fluid
Deutz Fahr
Fendt (Non-Vario)
Ford – ESN M2C86B, M2C86C
Hesston Fiat – Oilofi at Tutela Multi-F, AF-87
John Deere – J20C, J20D (winter grade), J20A/B, J14B, JD 303, J21A
Komatsu
Kubota – UDT
Landini – Tractor II Hyd. Fluid
Massey-Ferguson – M-1141 (PermatranŽIII), M-1135, M1143, M1145, M1129-A, M-1127-A/B, M-1110
Renault – Renault Transmissions
Steiger – Hyd/Trans SEMS 17001
Sundstrand – Hydrostatic Transmission Fluid
VCE – WB-101
Versatile – Recommended for use in Valmet, Yanmar, New idea Power Units, Leyland, Belarus, Fiat M2C134-D FNHA-2-C-201.00, Spec 24M, Spec 23M
ZF – TE-ML 03E, 05F, 06K, 17E
As you can see, the 'Specifications' list doesn't seem to show any Mopar or Jeep specifications as compatible. This makes me a little nervous, seeing as the container likely doesn't reference any MOPAR spec either. If this oil was a suitable replacement for the NV245, one would tend to think it would be listed in the specifications list. Is there some other specification that lends itself to verifying the suitability of this oil in our QDII transfer cases?
Yes, This is the fluid I am running in my T-case. Works great. I did a lot of researching across a few forums and other web sites and all came to say the same thing that the special Mopar fluid was a repackaged mobil oil... some type of tractor fluid. If I come accross the site I will post it.

Anyways I have been using it for a while now works great also have had to use the 4x4 quite a bit got my buddy stuck in the river... took my jeep and my neighbors truck to get him out. I have switched though 4lo, 4hi, and N a few times now works great. Def gets my

Also I haven't found any other fluid that says it meets specifications besides mopar on this one.
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Re: Fluids and dealer giving me run around!

I'm quite hesitant to put anything in my truck unless a qualified engineer gives the stamp of approval (e.g. spec on container, etc). In the short run, it might work fine, but, then again, vegetable oil with a dab of crisco would probably work fine for a few thousand miles, too. I plan to keep my vehicles til there's about 150k miles on the clock, so I guess I tend to be a bit particular about the fluids.

I contacted Mobil 1 regarding any of their products that would be recommended for use in my xfer case (06 5.7 QDII). They told me it requires the NV245 fluid and that they do not presently have, nor do they plan to have in the future, an equivalent.

Back to the drawing board.
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Re: Fluids and dealer giving me run around!

if the warranty holder specifies a SPEC that I cannot meet with a generic purchase ONLY then do I go to the stealer.

amsoil/smamzoil: IF IT DSONT MEET THE SPEC IT DONT GO IN MY VEHICLE. SHOW ME THE mil-sPEC AND iLL BUY IT ALL DAY LONG.





I had to do my 36 month. I went to WKJEEPS.COM to gather all the parts needed.

axles: mobil 1 gear oil meets the spec. DONE.
transfer case: NV245, nothing commercial meets the spec, i go to stealer and try to protect my wallet.
spark plugs: wkjeeps provides the champion number, over to napa I go.






my one point of advice: KEEP ALL RECIEPTS if you have a warranty. they will challenge you on maintenance being completed. DOCUMENT and KEP ALL RECIEPTS.
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if the warranty holder specifies a SPEC that I cannot meet with a generic purchase ONLY then do I go to the stealer.

amsoil/smamzoil: IF IT DSONT MEET THE SPEC IT DONT GO IN MY VEHICLE. SHOW ME THE mil-sPEC AND iLL BUY IT ALL DAY LONG.





I had to do my 36 month. I went to WKJEEPS.COM to gather all the parts needed.

axles: mobil 1 gear oil meets the spec. DONE.
transfer case: NV245, nothing commercial meets the spec, i go to stealer and try to protect my wallet.
spark plugs: wkjeeps provides the champion number, over to napa I go.






my one point of advice: KEEP ALL RECIEPTS if you have a warranty. they will challenge you on maintenance being completed. DOCUMENT and KEP ALL RECIEPTS.

x2 for me except the plugs were cheaper at my dealer. i only use the tcase fluid from the dealer because im not putting tractor oil in it.
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i got all my stuff except the nv245 at advanceauto when they had that 30 dollar off 70.
4 qts of mobil1 75-140 and plugs.

then i gave the local oil change guy 70 bux to do all of it except the plugs i did those myself.
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Yes, This is the fluid I am running in my T-case. Works great. I did a lot of researching across a few forums and other web sites and all came to say the same thing that the special Mopar fluid was a repackaged mobil oil... some type of tractor fluid. If I come accross the site I will post it.

Anyways I have been using it for a while now works great also have had to use the 4x4 quite a bit got my buddy stuck in the river... took my jeep and my neighbors truck to get him out. I have switched though 4lo, 4hi, and N a few times now works great. Def gets my

Also I haven't found any other fluid that says it meets specifications besides mopar on this one.
That fluid has a MobilFluid424 spec, as does the Amsoil ATH. I run it in my nv247 & have lots of customer's running it. No Problems.

Keep in mind, Mopar is not an oil company, they are buying it & putting their label on it. Everything has a spec.
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