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Re: Heim Joint, Adjustable Outer Tie Rod Ends

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This is the flange side of the nuts we use.
flange nuts ARE NOT LOCK NUTS. if you guys really care about safety then you will use CASTLE NUTS where the cotter pin runs thru them. placing a cotter pin below the nut will not stop a nut from backing off and are more likely to snap the cotter pin. the placement of the cotter pin hole needs to be moved further from the end of the stud as well.

cant tell you haw many times ive seen non castle nuts used with cotter pins and how many times its failed. ive got over 6 years as a military mechanic with 2 years civilian so ive seen it all and I know what works. I would have deadlined a truck if I seen that (your setup) vs the use of castle nuts w/cotter pins.

not trying to bash, but the other guy that commented has it right and you argue the matter, it don't look good or that you don't care
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Here are some photos of the OEM Mopar tie rod end including the nuts used.

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As shown, the OEM TREs do not use castle nuts not cotter pins.
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Here are some photos of the OEM Mopar tie rod end including the nuts used.

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As shown, the OEM TREs do not use castle nuts not cotter pins.
you're being dodgy. if your designing a product that's gonna be safer, why use the oem design? I never once said the oem had lock nuts or cotters. I was referring to YOUR design. why don't you reread my comment
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Re: Heim Joint, Adjustable Outer Tie Rod Ends

tell me, after looking at your site, why do the shara dune tie rods for the wk/xk utilize castle nuts and cotter pins to secure the end to the knuckle but the ones you guys came up with don't and your being dodgy in your responses?

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tell me, after looking at your site, why do the shara dune tie rods for the wk/xk utilize castle nuts and cotter pins to secure the end to the knuckle but the ones you guys came up with don't and your being dodgy in your responses?

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Later pictures seem to show nylock nuts. One of which is tightened flush with the end of a stud.
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Later pictures seem to show nylock nuts. One of which is tightened flush with the end of a stud.
Which is worse then having the castle/cotter setup.
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Which is worse then having the castle/cotter setup.
I agree. The castle nut/cotter pin set up would be the way to go. It's passed the test of time many times over.
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I agree. The castle nut/cotter pin set up would be the way to go. It's passed the test of time many times over.
Works for the military so it's well tested
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We have nothing against castle nuts and we do use them. Our argument was that we do not think safety is compromised by using an OEM style nut. They come mounted on your Jeeps already. If you feel your safety is compromised with OEM nuts, then please replace your OEM nuts with castle nuts and take that issue up with FCA.

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We have nothing against castle nuts and we do use them. Our argument was that we do not think safety is compromised by using an OEM style nut. They come mounted on your Jeeps already. If you feel your safety is compromised with OEM nuts, then please replace your OEM nuts with castle nuts and take that issue up with FCA.
And this is the problem. You keep comparing them to stock. Stock doesn't have no where the movement that your part does. No where near it. Therefore you can't assume what works for oem will work in your application. You've had 3 people reply to your product. All made mention of using castle nuts over what you currently sell. Yet you sit there and assume there is no problem. Well you just lost 3 potential customers. And oh btw, your explanation of bumpsteer is only partially correct. Selling a tie rod end and calling it a bumpsteer correction kit is false advertising. Bumpsteer has nothing to do with the type of joint you have in the rod end. It's about proper tie rod length. That's what will correct b/s. I'd call the full on tie rods you sell as a b/s correction kit over just a rod end.
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And this is the problem. You keep comparing them to stock. Stock doesn't have no where the movement that your part does.
No where near it. Therefore you can't assume what works for oem will work in your application. You've had 3 people reply to your product. All made mention of using castle nuts over what you currently sell. Yet you sit there and assume there is no problem. Well you just lost 3 potential customers. And oh btw, your explanation of bumpsteer is only partially correct. Selling a tie rod end and calling it a bumpsteer correction kit is false advertising. Bumpsteer has nothing to do with the type of joint you have in the rod end. It's about proper tie rod length. That's what will correct b/s. I'd call the full on tie rods you sell as a b/s correction kit over just a rod end.
Our Heim joint sits 2" inches above the spindle. If your Jeep is lifted by 2" and continue to use your OEM TREs, the distance between your steering box and spindle gets longer due to the lift, so you get bump steering. Since our Heim joint sits 2" above the spindle, the distance from the steering box to the joint is back to were it should be, thus correcting bump steer. We do not engage in false advertising. You simply did not understand how our product operates and were quick to throw accusations. I hope this explanation clarifies it.
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