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Old 06-12-2016, 01:17 PM
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Our Heim joint sits 2" inches above the spindle. If your Jeep is lifted by 2" and continue to use your OEM TREs, the distance between your steering box and spindle gets longer due to the lift, so you get bump steering. Since our Heim joint sits 2" above the spindle, the distance from the steering box to the joint is back to were it should be, thus correcting bump steer. We do not engage in false advertising. You simply did not understand how our product operates and were quick to throw accusations. I hope this explanation clarifies it.
False and false.

Here is what bump steer is

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/chassis...eer-explained/

So tell me how just moving the joint 2 higher fixes it? When in reality it's the length of the rod that needs to be correct.

But the issue at hand isn't weather or not it corrects the bump steer. But rather the laxidaizy attitude to the safety issue with just using an oem but to secure the rod end.

Then telling us to basically drill the stock end so we can add a castle nut tells me you guys don't care what happens. I've seen your style of setup fail in the army be cause the nut backs off eventually snapping the cotter used to "hold" it.

I will never buy your product and will recommend CB ENGINEERING products over yours. Nothing you sell I can't get somewhere else for a similar price and better quality and customer service.

I'm done here, good luck selling your "perfect" product

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Re: Heim Joint, Adjustable Outer Tie Rod Ends

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False and false.

Here is what bump steer is

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/chassis...eer-explained/

So tell me how just moving the joint 2 higher fixes it? When in reality it's the length of the rod that needs to be correct.
Maybe if you draw yourself a diagram you will understand it better. It is obvious and we already explained it.

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But the issue at hand isn't weather or not it corrects the bump steer. But rather the laxidaizy attitude to the safety issue with just using an oem but to secure the rod end.
We showed you that is what is mounted already in your Jeep. If it is good enough for Chrysler and others, it is plenty safe and it works for us as well. Having said that, we do use castle nuts and cotter pins and have nothing against them.

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Then telling us to basically drill the stock end so we can add a castle nut tells me you guys don't care what happens. I've seen your style of setup fail in the army be cause the nut backs off eventually snapping the cotter used to "hold" it.
If you feel unsafe driving your Jeep because of the style of lock nut they came with, either replace it as we suggested, or better yet, sell your Jeep and get yourself another brand that uses your style of comfort inducing lock nut.

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I will never buy your product and will recommend CB ENGINEERING products over yours. Nothing you sell I can't get somewhere else for a similar price and better quality and customer service.
That is a relief to hear, and you are more than welcome to return any and all products you purchased from JeePerf, mounted or not, for a full refund, no questions asked.

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Good luck to you finding your perfect vehicle.


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Old 06-12-2016, 03:33 PM
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Maybe if you draw yourself a diagram you will understand it better. It is obvious and we already explained it.

We showed you that is what is mounted already in your Jeep. If it is good enough for Chrysler and others, it is plenty safe and it works for us as well. Having said that, we do use castle nuts and cotter pins and have nothing against them.

If you feel unsafe driving your Jeep because of the style of lock nut they came with, either replace it as we suggested, or better yet, sell your Jeep and get yourself another brand that uses your style of comfort inducing lock nut.

That is a relief to hear, and you are more than welcome to return any and all products you purchased from JeePerf, mounted or not, for a full refund, no questions asked.

Good luck to you finding your perfect vehicle.

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You assume too much.

First off. I never once said I purchased anything from you

Secondly, my comment was about you suggesting that we drill our stock rod ends to incorporate a castle/cotter setup being unsafe.

Third, I like my jeep, owned it over 5 years. Obviously I feel safe in it otherwise I would not have it now.

I am a mechanic by trade. I've seen what you suggest fail. Others here ont this thread have eighter pointed it out or agreed that the best course of action it's a cotter/castle setup.

Again, you assume too much by comparing the stock setup to your setup on a suspension that has completely changed geometry as stating it's good enought.

Like I said. I'm done here don't bother replying back to me as I have stated my piece. Good day to you
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Re: Heim Joint, Adjustable Outer Tie Rod Ends

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False and false.

Here is what bump steer is

Bump Steer Explained - What Is It and How It Works - Hot Rod

So tell me how just moving the joint 2 higher fixes it? When in reality it's the length of the rod that needs to be correct.

But the issue at hand isn't weather or not it corrects the bump steer. But rather the laxidaizy attitude to the safety issue with just using an oem but to secure the rod end.

Then telling us to basically drill the stock end so we can add a castle nut tells me you guys don't care what happens. I've seen your style of setup fail in the army be cause the nut backs off eventually snapping the cotter used to "hold" it.

I will never buy your product and will recommend CB ENGINEERING products over yours. Nothing you sell I can't get somewhere else for a similar price and better quality and customer service.

I'm done here, good luck selling your "perfect" product
This is how families die, and vehicle modifications become illegal.

A company deems that it's okay to put subpar, illegal rod ends onto a highway vehicle, and then to have it crash into a church van. DOT investigates, finds the steering at fault, and the downward spiral start.

The lack of understand of how bumpsteer happens is amazing.

If you don't modify the pivot points of the control arms, and change the mounting point of the TRE, you CREATE BUMP STEER.


Do the rest of us a favor and stop creating problems.

Dodgy - are all these vague answers.
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:06 PM
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This is how families die, and vehicle modifications become illegal.

A company deems that it's okay to put subpar, illegal rod ends onto a highway vehicle, and then to have it crash into a church van. DOT investigates, finds the steering at fault, and the downward spiral start.

The lack of understand of how bumpsteer happens is amazing.

If you don't modify the pivot points of the control arms, and change the mounting point of the TRE, you CREATE BUMP STEER.

Do the rest of us a favor and stop creating problems.

Dodgy - are all these vague answers.
Yes. And I even posted the explanation of bump steer that was posted by chassis experts.

They were being dodgy not from vague answers but the fact they avoided the key talking point all together
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Yes. And I even posted the explanation of bump steer that was posted by chassis experts.

They were being dodgy not from vague answers but the fact they avoided the key talking point all together
No kidding....I'm glad someone else realized this.
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