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Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4x4 4.7 engine GPS DVD Uconnect every option
112k miles I just bought for my daughter # 2.

Daughter # 1 has the same car 2005 JGC limited HEMI GPS DVD Uconnect and no problem backing up with the problem listed below for daughter # 2 2005 Jeep.



Well backing out the driveway there is a binding in the front steering when turning the wheels until we back down the driveway and turn the wheels to straighten out another binding until you completely start to proceed straight. Then the car is fine when it warms up. Then if you let it sit while you are at work it will do the same thing.

I had the vehicle at a repair center that has done work on my vehicles over the years. I had a oil pressure switch replaced and the rear pinion seal replaced.

The shop added some oil additive in the transfer case to see if it would make the binding stop. The clutches are binding and he hopes the oil additive will work, said to give it a week to see if it will help.

I have to call the place where I bought the car from as its still under warranty and tell him that the transfer case might be on its way out with bad clutches.

Shop said next thing would be to drain all the fluid and replace with new and the special additive.

Has anyone had this problem and what might have been your fix? I spent the weekend searching the problem and seems its quite big with many Jeeps with the binding in the transfer case backing up until it warms up.

I read where people have replaced the transfer case and same problem!!!

The 4x4 does work I checked it out.

Any suggestions what might be going on and what I should do?

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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

Have you checked the front driveshaft? Could also be the axles / CV. At 112,000 those would be likely suspects. Especially if people replaced their entire TC and had the same issue? The WK transmission and differentials are very solid (at least the 5.7L is), I am not sure if the 4.7L has the same drive train componants.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

Last Friday that was all checked front end is all ok they checked all driveshafts and cv joints, ball joints. Its definitely in the 4x4. 4x4 seems to be partially on when this happens, and searching the net problems seem to be the clutches in the transfer case, doesn't mean the 4x4 is bad but some people live with it. Here in Boston you need the 4x4 for the winters we have. Just that I only got a 30 day warranty and need to find out what needs to be fixed.

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Old 07-27-2015, 09:26 AM
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

With Quadra-Drive II, NV245 transfer case fluid is called for. There has been many discussions about whether there is a after-market equivalent / additive combination that does the same thing but as far as I know I think the mopar stuff is still the way to go.

The first thing that I would do is check what type of fluid is in the transfercase. If not the right stuff, drain it and re-fill with the correct fluid.

Also, could the binding be across one axle? What shape is the diff fluid in? If you have QDII, was the friction modifier additive added to the gear oil?

Just some ideas on where to start.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

The shop which works on large trucks and vehicles of all kinds did know about the correct oil to use and was asked to wait 2 weeks to see if it helps. I think 4 days and it should of showed some improvement, but none seen or felt so far. I'm going to call the dealer i bought the car from and let him make the decision on this. He has a jeep dealership right across from him.

Jeep drives and shifts great no problem just the first 5 minutes backing down or turning will bind in the front. You can feel it in the steering wheel.

When I test drove the car it was backed in pointing front out so all i had to do was drive off the lot for the test drive. Drove in the city and the highway no problem.

All the cars were pointed out that way. So far the salesman has been nice will see when I call him today and tell him it cost $298.00 to have the rear pinion seal replaced also the oil sensor switch and then the oil in the transfer case and the rear differential.
Also fixed the front sway bar that seemed to of moved off center about an inch towards the driver side. Not common but shop says they have seen this before.

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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

I can't speak for the shop that did your repair work, but just because they are a big shop and say they used the right stuff doesn't mean that they actually did.

Many shops think they know what is correct, or think that it doesn't matter.

Doesn't hurt to ask what they used and check into it yourself. Usually on the work order they will list the parts and/or fluids they used as well.

I have had dealerships try and tell me that the friction modifier wasn't needed in the front axle (which was true for most WKs, but not for the early years as they have ELSD's in both the front and rear), I've had a repair shop fill the power steering pump with transmission fluid (also not an appropriate fluid due to the hydraulic cooling fan), and have had places try to fill the transfer case with transmission fluid (as mentioned before, not appropriate with the NV245). The fact that they just threw in some friction modifier into the transfercase (which shouldn't be required), makes me think that they aren't doing things precisely by the book. So, big places that say they know what they are doing can get it wrong!

I would still suspect fluid of the axles or transfercase to be the most likely cause in your case. When the fluid heats up after driving the viscosity may change and then you don't get the binding that you get when the fluid is cold.

Also, as a caution, I would keep it from the seller that this other repair shop has used additives in the transfercase. IF it turns out there is a problem with it, they could say that the adding of unnecessary additives contributed to the problem and they aren't responsible for fixing it. The correct fluid requires no additives at all.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

When I bought fluid from Jeep directly, the friction modifier was shrink wrapped with the fluid. If it has ELSD it's probably required.

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When I bought fluid from Jeep directly, the friction modifier was shrink wrapped with the fluid. If it has ELSD it's probably required.
I have a 2005 limited 5.7
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

The oil listed on the repair slip is differential additive (oil posi trac)<br>and 75/140 synthetic gear oil 75/140.<br><br>this is what oil that was added the Dealer let this person fix it as it is a bit of a drive and when I talked to him he said email copies of the slip.<br>Also the joy stick on the rec gps radio was broken and he is paying for the part for the radio. I'm going to fix as I worked in the electronic field for 38 years and soldering is what I had to do before I became a supervisor. Also had to be NASA certified by the Government as all the work we did was Government contract work. <br>Not worried about the radio but I am about the binding in the front end.<br><br>Has anyone experienced this problem that I have described? And what was your fix?<br>
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

Mopar doesn´t make any oils themselves and the "special" mopar fluid for the T-case is nothing more then Mobil 424 fluid. This fluid was introduced in the WJ 247 T-cases shortly after the WJ came into service, after the original ATF+4 fluid was causing clutch chatter. The Mobil 424 fluid was originally used in tractors. Indeed no additives required in the T-case.
If not done yet, i would start changing the T-case fluid. If still binding, i would try a bit more friction modifier in the front differential.
I would not expect the T-case itself to be the problem.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

Here is an update to the binding on the 2005 Jeep.

Searching the net I found the following link that describes my problem to a T-
Jeep is in the shop as of &am this morning and got a call that the wire harness that is internal to the Front differential is also bad. Had to drive to Methuen Ma. to get the harness. The solenoid was at a local Jeep dealer. So don't know if I will get the jeep back today or the morning.
Please read the complete article as on the net this is a big problem/complaint with many people having the symptoms I am having the binding the first few minutes. The bad solenoid is letting the car go in posi lock in the front differential. I will report back and let you all know if this cured my daughters problem.

In the article the dealer states this is normal to the owner of the Jeep BS!!!

Please read article and Im sure this will help. this should also be a sticky for this problem.

h??ps://certifiedtransmission.wordpress.com/2015/02/15/jeep-t-case-problem-check-the-axles/
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

Here is an update to the 2005 Jeep binding problem when cold in the morning of when jeep sits over night.

The shop replaced the Front axle locker solenoid and the internal harness solenoid was $62.00 and Harness was $14.00. Total with labor was $381.00
The only problem is the front differential cover is in tight quarters and hard to get at. Removal just about gives enough room to do this job. Anything more and the front axle has to be removed to do a rebuild.

All new oil and additive. Well the jeep is perfect backing up and turning in the morning. Problem fixed
The harness had 2 broken wires inside and that was not activating the solenoid to keep the front clutch pack from locking up and putting it in posi traction mode.

The rear differential also has this electronic module same part number for both, that one is ok.

So I have seen many people complain about this and dealer does not know what the problem might be and tell customer they need a new rear or front differential. Also as the article I posted the owner had 2 transfer case replaced only to have the problem to come back.

Please read the article in second post if you think you might have this problem.
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Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Question

Thanks for posting what you found, and I am glad you got things all sorted out.

I am sure this information will help other members in the future.
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