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Old 07-16-2010, 07:57 AM
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Re: Off road help

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The 3.7 with the qt1 is not a 4x4
ugh-ugh Hummer H1 haven't any diff locks also. And what? Is H1 not 4x4? Competent simultaneous pressing gas and brake pedals works as lock. It learnt military drivers.
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Old 07-16-2010, 09:03 AM
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Re: Off road help

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ugh-ugh Hummer H1 haven't any diff locks also. And what? Is H1 not 4x4? Competent simultaneous pressing gas and brake pedals works as lock. It learnt military drivers.
It's not the locking diffs Scott is referring to, it's the the fact that QT1 doesn't have 4lo. So QT1 is actually more of an AWD rather than a true 4x4.
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Old 07-16-2010, 11:59 AM
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Re: Off road help

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ugh-ugh Hummer H1 haven't any diff locks also. And what? Is H1 not 4x4? Competent simultaneous pressing gas and brake pedals works as lock. It learnt military drivers.
Working the gas and brake to work as a locker only works in a mild mild situation. When you have 2 tires mashed so far in the fender you can't even see them, and the other 2 tires off the ground the brake/gas trick is not going to work. You will need lockers. And the 3.7 without a low range is not an ideal vehicle for offroad use.
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Re: Off road help

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ugh-ugh Hummer H1 haven't any diff locks also. And what? Is H1 not 4x4? Competent simultaneous pressing gas and brake pedals works as lock. It learnt military drivers.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but Military Humvee axles transfer torque to the wheel with traction (normal diffs transfer torque to the wheel without traction). While not an actual locker, it does pretty much the same thing. Performance of the traction aid can be helped by dragging your foot on the brake.

And Military Humvees have 36" tires and a clean, high belly - there's no articulation but plenty of ground clearance. They're okay for rock crawling but were more designed for higher speed open terrain travel.
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Old 07-17-2010, 08:20 AM
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Re: Off road help

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ugh-ugh Hummer H1 haven't any diff locks also. And what? Is H1 not 4x4? Competent simultaneous pressing gas and brake pedals works as lock. It learnt military drivers.
They don't have full on lockers, but they do have torsen limited slips and a low range. Oh, and by the way the Humvee sucks hind tit in the rocks. It will scare the bejeezus out of you when it shifts all the weight from front to rear with only three wheels touching.
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:03 AM
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Re: Off road help

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Ive got the RRO 2.25 lift and I like it, it's fine for me since I don't plan to do any hardcore off-roading, I just wanted some lift. If your bilsteins are fairly new then I don't think you'll have any problem adding the lift.I added my lift with the stock shocks and I didn't notice any problems. Don't let people put you down because you have QT1, I think the QT1 is a good system along with BTCS. You just work with what you got and enjoy your jeep. Good luck.

I got the same kit but with the addition of bilsteins all around, and I like it. Granted I haven't seen in person or rode in an OME equipped rig but the RRO is cool with me. I don't do any hard core stuff, 99% beach cruising with the occational mild trail when we go visit my GFs dad up in NW VA. I also have the v6 and yes in retrospect I wish we wouldve waited a little longer and gotten the v8 but it is what it is. Like redrock said, I wish I had the 4" lift now but again the v6 would have some issues with that. Goes back to the whole v8 wish . Now I've gotten into sticky situations with the QT1 but all were pre-lift. Haven't tried to go through anything sketchy since though. I agree with gc4x4 and just enjoy the jeep you've got, it's yours.
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:31 AM
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Re: Off road help

since you already have bilsteins save a lot of money and get a cheaper spacer lift. then put the money you saved towards wheels/tires/spacers etc.

personally i would go ome, but thats just something i thought i would throw out there.
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Old 07-17-2010, 05:12 PM
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Re: Off road help

Your Jeep is completely fine. If you get say a Rocky Road Out Fitters 2" lift and some 265/70/17s or 255/75/17s youd be nicely equipped for some trail use but nothing major.

The RRO is a nice spacer style lift and is within the budget. KEEP the Bilsteins and add this to it.
http://www.rocky-road.com/2005grand.html

The OME lift is an amazing lift but at about $700 its price for 2".
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Re: Off road help

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Your Jeep is completely fine. If you get say a Rocky Road Out Fitters 2" lift and some 265/70/17s or 255/75/17s youd be nicely equipped for some trail use but nothing major.

The RRO is a nice spacer style lift and is within the budget. KEEP the Bilsteins and add this to it.
http://www.rocky-road.com/2005grand.html

The OME lift is an amazing lift but at about $700 its price for 2".
I am trying to find a picture of what this lift actually looks like but cant..even after a google search. Does anyone have a picture of the lift components? Also wheres the best place to find a WK with this lift that also has stock wheel/tire size? Maybe if someone could post that would be great! I am guessing its a front and rear lift for the RRO, correct? Since this is a IFS then with the 2.25" lift how much more downtravel is left?

Also you mentioned to get this lift and add the Bilstein shocks which will yield another 3/8" of lift..are they long enough to allow for full articulation?

Sorry for all the question

Sorry one more question: with the 2.25" and the 3/8" there would not be any alignment issues or excessive wear on drivetrain components, would there?
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Re: Off road help

The RRO lift will look just like the black wk in the post before mine even though its a 2" daystar lift in his it will look the same.

The lift consists of a rubber rear coil spring spacer and a 2" steel strut spacer for the front.

YOU WILL need and alignment after any lift is installed. You will NOT notice the 3/8" from the bilsteins. You should not have any excessive wear on anything. If you went with a bigger lift though thats when issues happen.

Look through this thread to see pics of different lifts. There are hundreds of different setups in there.
Its a 100 plus pages long. start at the end they are the most recent pics.
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums...d.php?t=417543
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Re: Off road help

Thanks for the info! With that and the Billys and alignment sounds like a good 600 bucks well spent! haha

ya i knew the alingment needed to be done and was just making sure there wasnt anything else like uniball uca's or anything that needed to be bought to get alignment to spec!

also what do you suggest if i dont want the front and rear lifted in unison but want to have the jeep level?
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Re: Off road help

No problem. Anything to help a fellow wheeler. The Jeep should sit level just fine.

Depending on what tire size you get you might want to get some 1.25" wheel spacers to re use the factory wheels.

If you stick to the factory JK wrangler BFGoodrich MT then they should fit w/o any spacers i think. 255/75/17 i think.

With that being said, because your only going to a 2" lift and about a 31 or 32" tire there should not be much if any abnormal wear and tear. The 2" lift does not stress things out very much.

Just read through that thread, see what lifts and tire sizes people are using and go with that.
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