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Old 09-09-2009, 09:29 AM
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Re: Focal speakers???

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They're limited because they are a bit more expensive and aren't carried by as many shops as say Alpine, JL, or Kicker.

As with any speaker, you need to listen to them for yourself before you purchase. What one person may like, another may hate.

Speaker selection is very subjective!!!
Exactly for the last three sentences! I've heard people say the Alpine's suck, but for what I listen to they kick ass. Note that I also don't listen to heavy, pounding, thumping bass either, so what I listen for is entirely different than what I would consider the average or normal listener. Hmmmmmm, like my friends who all wanna build up these million watt, multiple sub systems and throw one in my Jeep lol
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Old 09-09-2009, 09:31 AM
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Re: Focal speakers???

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Exactly for the last three sentences! I've heard people say the Alpine's suck, but for what I listen to they kick ass. Note that I also don't listen to heavy, pounding, thumping bass either, so what I listen for is entirely different than what I would consider the average or normal listener. Hmmmmmm, like my friends who all wanna build up these million watt, multiple sub systems and throw one in my Jeep lol
All that matters is that they sound good to you, period.

haha, yeah, we all have friends like that.
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Old 09-09-2009, 11:09 AM
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Re: Alpine Type R's anyone???

Like Matt said, Focal's are just another brand of speakers in a certain price range. From all the Focal's I have heard at audio stores they can handle alot of power and sound great or also sound great with little power as well. Most people dont even look at Focal's just because of the price tag, so i was just letting you know they had a nice set on ebay if you even happened to hear them before and liked them. Thats all, wasnt pushing them. Go on youtube and look up Focal mids, I doubt you will see many mids that have that type of excursion.

And I think alot has to do with actually know what your doing with the install, when I first turned my system on I wondered why I wasted all this money on it because the stock system sounded better, took me awhile of messing with it for it to finally sound good and im still trying to tune it better.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:45 PM
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Re: Alpine Type R's anyone???

I have direct expeience with all the brands you are guys are talking about, with the exception of the Focal's. My store has carried/is carrying all of them. Couple things to note-the RF 400-4 is rated at 50w x 4 rms but actual output on the birth certificates i saw had most at 85w or more rms. The alpine F300 is an actual 50w x 4. The extra power will make speakers perform differently,typically better so keep that in mind as you are listening to the speakers. If you like the R's-which are a great speaker AS LONG as you run them off 75w or more,you should consider the JL, VR series. The nice thing is,they are changing them over to a C2 series,name change only so there are deals to be had if you find a new set of VR's on clearance. My opinion is they sound better,and are in the saem price range as the type R's.

Also,the other RF amps you listed will be under-rated as well. Typical power ratings we saw were:
T400-4: 100w rms x 4
T600-4: 180w rms x 4

Again,my opinion,the JL will sound the best but not give you quite as much power as the RF's.
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Re: Alpine Type R's anyone???

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pioneer all the way...
Sorry bro but I can't stand the way Pioneer speakers sound listening to my stuff. The Type S 2-ways sounded much better than the Pioneer component set up I heard as well. Please remember also, I'M NOT putting a sub in my Jeep. Just not going to happen....

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Re: Alpine Type R's anyone???

You can also go with a Rockford Fosgate P3.
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You can also go with a Rockford Fosgate P3.
P300-1 does me no good bro since it's a sub amp...



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I have direct expeience with all the brands you are guys are talking about, with the exception of the Focal's. My store has carried/is carrying all of them. Couple things to note-the RF 400-4 is rated at 50w x 4 rms but actual output on the birth certificates i saw had most at 85w or more rms. The alpine F300 is an actual 50w x 4. The extra power will make speakers perform differently,typically better so keep that in mind as you are listening to the speakers. If you like the R's-which are a great speaker AS LONG as you run them off 75w or more,you should consider the JL, VR series. The nice thing is,they are changing them over to a C2 series,name change only so there are deals to be had if you find a new set of VR's on clearance. My opinion is they sound better,and are in the saem price range as the type R's.

Also,the other RF amps you listed will be under-rated as well. Typical power ratings we saw were:
T400-4: 100w rms x 4
T600-4: 180w rms x 4

Again,my opinion,the JL will sound the best but not give you quite as much power as the RF's.
05wkguy... Thanks! That's one thing I've always loved about RF; always under-rating their amps! Allow me to ask and everyone else this though: how noticeable is it between the RF 85 dB S/N Ratio versus the JL 104dB rating? Or does it really matter, especially since I've already lost a bit of my high frequency hearing due to jobs in years past???

Also, any big difference in power/performance between the RF Prime and Punch series other than the Prime having a fixed High Pass crossover, slightly more varied Low Pass range, and much higher S/N Ratio (70 dB)?

And finally, any idea why the Power/"T" Series are putting out more power than the Punch/"P" Series???

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Old 09-12-2009, 12:30 AM
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Re: Alpine Type R's anyone???

OOOOOOOOOOO,that question opens up a whole new can of worms. I'll give you my thoughts and you take them and do with as you please.
Yes,you can hear a 20db difference in signal to noise ratio. IF the amp is hooked up in a house and there is no background noise. As soon as you put the amp in a vehicle and start the engine,all differences are totally lost. even if it is a bone stock vehicle,no loud exhaust or anything. So,what is the benefit? 104 is higher than 85 so it must be a better amp,right? Yes,but not because of s/n. For vehicular use the most important things are power output and noise rejection. Power-well like i said before,there's alot of background noise in any vehicle,so the more power the better it can drive the speakers at volume levels high enough to overcome all background levels (starts at about 80db and higher) AND still have some headroom for transients at those higher levels. Noise rejection because you need the amp to eliminate as much electrical noise as possible. No matter the quality of rca's and speaker wire and so on,there will always be some noise,and you need that to be as little as possible. Don't bother even looking at THD as it's a proven fact that the average person can't even hear ANY distortion below 3.0% and a trained ear can hear as low as 1.5%. Yes those numbers are correct.

SO-yes the RF amp will play louder but only slightly more so than the JL. The JL will sound "cleaner" and have room for transient peaks at high volume.

As for the RF Prime vs Punch. Several differences:
The Punch has much larger internal capacitance,larger output transistors,NOMAD,balanced inputs etc. If you want to get an idea of how well constructed an amp is,look at the combination of all the specs. Yes I know i just said that many of them don't matter but when they are ALL much lower than another model,it shows a general "light duty" build to it. It won't have the headroom at hi volume,and will go into "clipping" (distortion) sooner and more suddenly than the punch. Look at the 2 ohm ratings,they only jump up about 50%,where the punch jumps 100% (a good indicator of properly designed voltage rails and output transformers) Also look at the fuse ratings-the punch are almost double for every comparible model.
Same comparisons can be made from punch to power-everything is beefed up and it results in a better performing amp.
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Re: Alpine Type R's anyone???



Thanks for all of the info and education concerning the amps bro! I'm really digging it all.

But let me open up yet another can of worms with a new question..... How are the RF speakers? I know I really need to listen to them (and I know Best Buy carries the P1653...not my first choice but can at least hear them). I was looking around last night and the T1652 caught my eye with the separate frame-mount tweeter and also it having, at least on paper, a larger frequency range than the Alpines, which still are choice unless I hear something that suits me better (R.F. T1652 @ 55Hz-22kHz versus Alpine Type S SPS600/SPS600C @ 70Hz-22kHz).

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Re: Alpine Type R's anyone???

I have always been a fan of the Rockford Power series components. Really,really similiar in sound to the typre R's. I personally like the tweeter on the R's better but the mid on the RF's. Also,your subs are going to cover a frequency range up to about 80hz,so I wouldn't worry about the 20hz difference in response between the 2. BUT,weren't we talking about R's and not S's in the Alpine line-up?
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I have always been a fan of the Rockford Power series components. Really,really similiar in sound to the typre R's. I personally like the tweeter on the R's better but the mid on the RF's. Also,your subs are going to cover a frequency range up to about 80hz,so I wouldn't worry about the 20hz difference in response between the 2. BUT,weren't we talking about R's and not S's in the Alpine line-up?
To summarize all of my previous posts so far.........

-Really curious now as to the R.F. T1652 sound and build quality versus the Type S component and/or coax set up.

-From what I've heard the Alpine Type S sounds better than the Type R, regardless of R.F. P400-4 power versus mere receiver power.

-Will have NO SUBS in my Niner, just the six 6.5" speakers in the factory locations. I listen to Death Metal, NYC/NE Hardcore, 70's and 80's Classic Rock, early Hard Rock/Heavy Metal. True, I know a properly tuned sub will make a world of difference but I've heard plenty of kick-azz systems for what I listen to that had no sub(s) that still sounded great! I just honestly don't feel a need to cover anything lower than 80hz with my choice of music...

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