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Old 12-23-2014, 11:43 PM
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Another WK2 Speakers Upgrade Thread

After reading almost all the threads on upgrading the sound system in WK2 I got a little lost and confused with all the technical info and opinions but I would like to thank everyone who shared hands on experience and valuable inputs..
I have the Alpine system 9 speakers + sub in my '14 Overland and I understand that to get huge improvement It'll involve a lot of work & money..


All I want now is a noticeable improvement by replacing the SPEAKERS ONLY (front & rear doors and center dash) with the easiest possible straight forward swap install within $500 budget..


I want to do everything myself (this will be my first time) coz I don't trust audio shops to be careful enough with door panel trim.. But I don't want to cut, modify or drill anything so I prefer speakers with the same size/fit as the factory or if it must be slightly different, adapters should be available for easy installation.. I prefer to buy from Crutchfield just to get the proper wiring harness and mounting adapters/brackets if needed.


So I need recommendations from you guys based on your experience and my requirements above, here's a list of the speakers I'm considering:

Front Door:

1- Focal Integration ISS 690 6x9" component speaker set. $280.

2- HAT Imagine I69-2V2 6x9"component speaker set. $400 (is it worth the extra $120?).

Rear Door:


1- Focal Integration ISC 165 6-3/4" speaker set. $170. (Drilling 4 holes required, is it possible to use bracket instead of drilling new holes?).

2- HAT Mirus M61-2 6.5" speaker set. $170. (I think they'll also require bracket/adapter?).

3- Polk Audio db651s 6.5" speaker set. $75. (bracket/adapter included from Crutchfield).

Center Dash:

1- Polk audio db351 3.5" speaker set. $41 on Amazon (not available on Crutchfield now).

2- MTX Thunder35 3.5" speaker set. $48 on Crutchfield w/ free wiring harnesses.

Couple more questions:

1- Any other brand/model tried and recommended in '14 JGC?

2- Is it OK to mix & match different brands and models? For example: Focal ISS 690 front, Polk db651s rear & MTX 3.5 center. (Just to get everything from Crutchfield and the Polk 6.5" looks easier to install than the Focal 6-3/4").
Or should I stick to one brand and/or model for all speakers?

Thanks everyone in advance.
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:58 AM
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Re: Another WK2 Speakers Upgrade Thread

These are great choices, from what I have read! I am looking at doing the same upgrade as you, so hopefully someone will chime in with advice!
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Season Greetings,

The key to this type of install, is look for speakers that have a sensitivity rating of 90 db or better. This way the speaker and the OE amp will give you the best efficiency in terms of power. This way the speaker will not distort that much when you rise the volume.

Both the Focal and HAT speakers are excellent choices. The main difference between them comes down to the type of tweeter. Focal uses a metal based tweeter that can give you a harsh, bright tinny sound. Think more of a club sound for hip-hop, pop and electronic. The HAT uses a Silk based tweeter that gives you a more a natural sound. When vocals and instruments are critical to your listening pleasure.

Both of the midbass / midrange drivers are excellent. Where the HAT does shine over the Focal is in the off-axis response giving you a better dynamic to the sound.

The Polk speakers in the tweeters use the silk or another form of natural material that will be a nice blend to match the HAT's. If you go everything with the Polk's that is also a choice, the sensitivity rating is high as well.

IMHO, blending the Polk's with the Focal's you might not like because of the variation of the upper frequencies. So when you mix and match try to keep that in mind to have similar materials.

Otherwise, to improve the system, better speakers require power which then requires the money.

In the Main WK2 forum for Audio, their are many great posts with excellent ideas.



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Season Greetings,

The key to this type of install, is look for speakers that have a sensitivity rating of 90 db or better. This way the speaker and the OE amp will give you the best efficiency in terms of power. This way the speaker will not distort that much when you rise the volume.

Both the Focal and HAT speakers are excellent choices. The main difference between them comes down to the type of tweeter. Focal uses a metal based tweeter that can give you a harsh, bright tinny sound. Think more of a club sound for hip-hop, pop and electronic. The HAT uses a Silk based tweeter that gives you a more a natural sound. When vocals and instruments are critical to your listening pleasure.

Both of the midbass / midrange drivers are excellent. Where the HAT does shine over the Focal is in the off-axis response giving you a better dynamic to the sound.

The Polk speakers in the tweeters use the silk or another form of natural material that will be a nice blend to match the HAT's. If you go everything with the Polk's that is also a choice, the sensitivity rating is high as well.

IMHO, blending the Polk's with the Focal's you might not like because of the variation of the upper frequencies. So when you mix and match try to keep that in mind to have similar materials.

Otherwise, to improve the system, better speakers require power which then requires the money.

In the Main WK2 forum for Audio, their are many great posts with excellent ideas.



Best for now.
I forgot to mention that when you are doing a straight speaker swap, you do not have to use the passive crossovers for the front door. The OE DSP handles the crossover settings. The use of the passive crossover will not achieve the correct upper frequencies.

For the rear door, if you are using a component set speakers and have a passive crossover, you can use it in order to get the tweeter to play correctly. The rear door is a full range signal that starts roughly around 100hz +/- 10hz.

The rest of the speakers except the sub are full range single similar to the rear door.

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Re: Another WK2 Speakers Upgrade Thread

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Season Greetings,

The key to this type of install, is look for speakers that have a sensitivity rating of 90 db or better. This way the speaker and the OE amp will give you the best efficiency in terms of power. This way the speaker will not distort that much when you rise the volume.

Both the Focal and HAT speakers are excellent choices. The main difference between them comes down to the type of tweeter. Focal uses a metal based tweeter that can give you a harsh, bright tinny sound. Think more of a club sound for hip-hop, pop and electronic. The HAT uses a Silk based tweeter that gives you a more a natural sound. When vocals and instruments are critical to your listening pleasure.

Both of the midbass / midrange drivers are excellent. Where the HAT does shine over the Focal is in the off-axis response giving you a better dynamic to the sound.

The Polk speakers in the tweeters use the silk or another form of natural material that will be a nice blend to match the HAT's. If you go everything with the Polk's that is also a choice, the sensitivity rating is high as well.

IMHO, blending the Polk's with the Focal's you might not like because of the variation of the upper frequencies. So when you mix and match try to keep that in mind to have similar materials.

Otherwise, to improve the system, better speakers require power which then requires the money.

In the Main WK2 forum for Audio, their are many great posts with excellent ideas.



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I forgot to mention that when you are doing a straight speaker swap, you do not have to use the passive crossovers for the front door. The OE DSP handles the crossover settings. The use of the passive crossover will not achieve the correct upper frequencies.

For the rear door, if you are using a component set speakers and have a passive crossover, you can use it in order to get the tweeter to play correctly. The rear door is a full range signal that starts roughly around 100hz +/- 10hz.

The rest of the speakers except the sub are full range single similar to the rear door.

Best for now.
Thanks a lot for the great information...

Since I prefer the natural sound from tweeters over the metallic bright sound, I should go with either HATs or Polks and better not to mix & match (at least for the front and rear, the center will be Polk anyway)..
After some research here and on other forums/sites, I think HAT speakers are much better than Polk speakers and they are worth their higher price..

Now the question is, where (online shopping only) to get a good deal on the HAT speakers other than 12v site?
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Now the question is, where (online shopping only) to get a good deal on the HAT speakers other than 12v site?

Sherif, I looked as well & all the HAT speakers are the same price, everywhere! I am looking to change out the fronts to start (I already changed the centre to a Polk and it sounds a lot better than OEM) and everywhere I looked the HAT Imagine I69 were $399. No deals, anywhere! I am probably going with the HAT's over the Focal's because I don't like bright sounding tweeters! They give me a headache!! They are a little pricey, but after reading the reviews, most say they are worth every penny!
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Now the question is, where (online shopping only) to get a good deal on the HAT speakers other than 12v site?

Sherif, I looked as well & all the HAT speakers are the same price, everywhere! I am looking to change out the fronts to start (I already changed the centre to a Polk and it sounds a lot better than OEM) and everywhere I looked the HAT Imagine I69 were $399. No deals, anywhere! I am probably going with the HAT's over the Focal's because I don't like bright sounding tweeters! They give me a headache!! They are a little pricey, but after reading the reviews, most say they are worth every penny!
Thanks for the info, I'll order the HATs soon..
Off-topic question, which bulbs did you use to replace the factory fog lights?
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Thanks for the info, I'll order the HATs soon..
Off-topic question, which bulbs did you use to replace the factory fog lights?

Sherif, I went with the H11 Xtreme Digital HID Conversion Kit from KBCarstuff.com.
H11 Xtreme Digital HID Conversion Kits.
Super bright & a direct match with my HID headlights!
I found it much easier to remove the 2 rivets & screw and pull away the fender well liner to install the lights. It gives you a lot more room and you are not blindly trying to remove/replace the bulbs! However, you will need a rivet tool & plastic rivets to re-install the liner. I purchased the tool & rivets ( 6.3mm x 25.2mm) online @ Amazon.ca for about $40.

http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00B4NXWSO/r...528420_TE_dp_1

It's a lot cheaper this way than buying them from the Jeep dealer! Overall, an easy install, and they do look sharp!
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Sherif, I went with the H11 Xtreme Digital HID Conversion Kit from KBCarstuff.com.

H11 Xtreme Digital HID Conversion Kits.

Super bright & a direct match with my HID headlights!

I found it much easier to remove the 2 rivets & screw and pull away the fender well liner to install the lights. It gives you a lot more room and you are not blindly trying to remove/replace the bulbs! However, you will need a rivet tool & plastic rivets to re-install the liner. I purchased the tool & rivets ( 6.3mm x 25.2mm) online @ Amazon.ca for about $40.



http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00B4NXWSO/r...528420_TE_dp_1



It's a lot cheaper this way than buying them from the Jeep dealer! Overall, an easy install, and they do look sharp!

Thanks for the detailed reply

I don't think I'll go the conversion kit route, I don't drive that much in total darkness and the headlights are good enough, I just want a simple bulb replacement for the fog lights because the factory ones are useless! I don't see they add much to the headlights and also they're too yellow..
Currently Osram Night Breaker Unlimited is on top of my list..


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Re: Another WK2 Speakers Upgrade Thread

Installed the Polk 3.5" dash speaker today, made a noticeable difference 👍



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HATs ready..

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Sherif, great photos! I found the front Polk speaker made a HUGE difference over the crappy OEM speaker! I am looking to maybe change out the doors with similar HAT speakers as you. I have been looking at the I69 speakers but just noticed they are twice the cost of the ones you chose: Stage 1 Mirus M69 ($219 vs $399 on their website). I wonder if they are that much better for 2X the price? I don't want to add a sub, or amp, etc. Been there - done that, and it gets pretty expensive! So let us know how the install goes (are you doing it yourself?) and how it sounds!
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