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Old 01-29-2013, 06:42 PM
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So is the leather package different for the V8 models than the I6 models? My buddy has a WJ Laredo w/ the I6 and it came with leather.



You must have been lucky. Myself and 3 friends have WJs and they have been nothing but problems. Mine has 127k miles (03 Laredo, I6, 50k has been 90% highway), buddies has 180k (01 Laredo, I6, full options including leather), and other buddy has 90k (04 Limited, V8). They have been maintenance NIGHTMARES.

I only have the maintenance log on mine but my buddies are also always fixing something. Here's what has happened to mine since I bought it at 76k miles (list does not include what I consider standard maintenance like plugs, brakes, and oil change).
* Outer tie rod ends - 79k miles
* Upper and lower ball joints - 79k miles
* New passenger brake caliper because old one froze - 81k miles
* New Battery - 85k miles
* New front wheel bearings (both sides) - 86k miles
* New coil rail - 95k miles
* New rear axle bearings and seals - 112k miles
* New crank position sensor - 125k miles
* New radiator - 127k miles

I still have several things that need replaced right now but I haven't gotten around to them. My front pinion seal is leaking and there's at least one bad bushing up front because I can hear it pop. Look at that list of fairly major things wrong with a vehicle that only has 127k EASY miles on it (I haven't gone 17k miles w/out something being fixed ). If one wasn't mechanically inclined and had to take it to the shop for every one of those issues, I would have repair costs almost equal to the vehicle cost.

At only 127k miles, this vehicle has been a maintenance nightmare (along with my 2 buddies vehicles). What do they say JEEP stands for....Just Empty Every Pocket....and that true about Jeeps. Don't get me wrong, I still love the vehicle. It's more of a love/hate relationship right now. My wife suggested I sell it and get something else, but I shot that down quickly. Bottom line is that I do like the vehicle, but it is on the BOTTOM of the list of vehicles in terms of maintenance from vehicles from many companies (and that list includes some shitty vehicles like a Cavalier and an Escort).

Sorry for the mini-rant. I just feel it's "false advertising" every time someone tries to pass a Jeep off as low maintenance. Sure there are some lucky ones out there, but most are not low maintenance. But they are still great vehicles.
Your 10 year old vehicle needed a new battery and you're upset...wow ! It also must have done its fair share of sitting...that doesn't help things...yes it requires maintenance, yes there are things that were either under or over engineered causing problems but for a vehicle of age with over 100k on it you aren't seeing any problems you wouldn't with any other...

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Old 01-29-2013, 06:46 PM
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Re: Looking into Getting a WJ

I have done a few things to my WJ since I got it. As far as I am concerned they are regular maintenance or items that I expected to replace on an 8 year old vehicle (even with low mileage of 78k currently showing 90k).
- Shocks (entirely changed the way it drives and rides)
- Steering stabilizer (again,entirely changed the way it drives and rides)
- Radiator and coolant flush & filled (aluminum and does not last like brass)
- Spark Plugs (expected)
- Front door speakers

When it was up on the hoist it appears there were a few front end parts that were replaced before I got it. Either way, none of these things needing replaced is unique to a Jeep. These are common replacement parts (as are many of the items replaced by JeepMe) on modern cars. Sealed ball joints, tie rod ends, and other things don't last.

When looking for a used vehicle, know the problem areas of a given platform and check those first. I would be more concerned about the blend door issue on the dual zone climate control than anything I have replaced.
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Your 10 year old vehicle needed a new battery and you're upset...wow ! It also must have done its fair share of sitting...that doesn't help things...yes it requires maintenance, yes there are things that were either under or over engineered causing problems but for a vehicle of age with over 100k on it you aren't seeing any problems you wouldn't with any other...

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No, my 10 year old vehicle didn't need a new battery. My 8 year old vehicle (that's the age when it went bad) needed a new battery. But I'm not upset about the battery as that's pretty normal, it's all the other shit that broke that I'm upset about. Like you said, it's a 10 year old vehicles RIGHT NOW.

This stuff started happening when it was 7 years old. You're trying to say (or at least implying) that these problems are normal from a 7-10 year old vehicle? It's normal for a 7 year old vehicle to need new tie rod ends and upper/lower ball joints at 79k miles? No. It's normal for a 9 year old vehicle at 112k miles to need all new wheel bearings? No. If that's "normal" in your book, then it's time to buy new vehicles from other companies because that's TERRIBLE. This isn't just my Jeep, it's the other 2 people I know who have the same model Jeep.

I grew up in a family that commonly had vehicles that weren't sold until they were 15 years old and at least 170k miles. In my opinion, any vehicle that's build in the 2000s should last at least until 150k miles with little to no maintenance. There should be a HUGE difference between a vehicle build in the early 1990s and a vehicle built in the 2000s.

My first vehicle was a 1988 Ranger and I drove it to 225k miles. Up to that point it was standard maintenance and new clutch at 175k miles. I finally got rid of it b/c I wanted A/C, it needed all new bushings (after 15 years and over 200k miles), and a bunch of other stuff. Before this Jeep I had a 1994 Cobra with just over 150k miles and I had NOTHING go wrong with that car other than normal maintenance. The 2002 Cavalier had problems but not to the extent of this Jeep.

Had I taken my Jeep to the shop for the problems, I would have spent close to $5k for 50k miles. That's $0.10 per mile just for extra maintenance....that's TERRIBLE. My 1966 Mustang has a lower cost per mile in maintenance with original everything (and that's running unleaded gas through an engine that's designed to run leaded gas). Look up the average maintenance cost per mile of SUVs built in the early 2000s and you'll find it's around 5 cents per mile. I have DOUBLE that cost and it does not include regular maintenance.

I'll repeat again, I do like my Jeep and I'm not interested in selling it. It's GREAT in the winter and goes anywhere I want it to go. But calling them low maintenance, as a generalization, is wrong.

I'm not going to argue about how bad Jeep maintenance is. I'm simply letting the OP know so that he does his research to know what he's getting into. You don't get the acronym "Just Empty Every Pocket" (which even Jeep people admit is true) from having a reliable maintenance free vehicle.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:02 PM
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I apologize if I came off as harsh but honestly from your rant you make it sound like a great big pile of junk...honestly I think your (and your friends) are the exceptions to the rule rather than the rule. As far as me buying different vehicles I've owned many different brands,years, and degrees of "newness" from brand new (89 Chevy one ton dually,91 S10 both brand new, a Ford Focus wagon* 26,000 at purchase,a 99 F150, 5 different Toyota trucks from 35,000 miles at purchase to 185,000 miles at purchase, 4 air cooled VW, and about 10 nameless junkers) all of them require maintenance. Things like wheel bearings used to get repacked on a regular basis...you can't do that anymore, tie rod ends on a 4wd take a beating as do all the suspension components and if you add a lift its worse. I'm calling a truce with this little battle as you have clarified (or maybe it was just clearer to me) your statement...

* The Ford focus is the biggest POS ever built by any automaker ever. Did I say it was a piece of garbage ? It was...the biggest one ever.

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Old 01-29-2013, 08:50 PM
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Re: Looking into Getting a WJ

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So is the leather package different for the V8 models than the I6 models? My buddy has a WJ Laredo w/ the I6 and it came with leather.



You must have been lucky. Myself and 3 friends have WJs and they have been nothing but problems. Mine has 127k miles (03 Laredo, I6, 50k has been 90% highway), buddies has 180k (01 Laredo, I6, full options including leather), and other buddy has 90k (04 Limited, V8). They have been maintenance NIGHTMARES.

I only have the maintenance log on mine but my buddies are also always fixing something. Here's what has happened to mine since I bought it at 76k miles (list does not include what I consider standard maintenance like plugs, brakes, and oil change).
* Outer tie rod ends - 79k miles
* Upper and lower ball joints - 79k miles
* New passenger brake caliper because old one froze - 81k miles
* New Battery - 85k miles
* New front wheel bearings (both sides) - 86k miles
* New coil rail - 95k miles
* New rear axle bearings and seals - 112k miles
* New crank position sensor - 125k miles
* New radiator - 127k miles

I still have several things that need replaced right now but I haven't gotten around to them. My front pinion seal is leaking and there's at least one bad bushing up front because I can hear it pop. Look at that list of fairly major things wrong with a vehicle that only has 127k EASY miles on it (I haven't gone 17k miles w/out something being fixed ). If one wasn't mechanically inclined and had to take it to the shop for every one of those issues, I would have repair costs almost equal to the vehicle cost.

At only 127k miles, this vehicle has been a maintenance nightmare (along with my 2 buddies vehicles). What do they say JEEP stands for....Just Empty Every Pocket....and that true about Jeeps. Don't get me wrong, I still love the vehicle. It's more of a love/hate relationship right now. My wife suggested I sell it and get something else, but I shot that down quickly. Bottom line is that I do like the vehicle, but it is on the BOTTOM of the list of vehicles in terms of maintenance from vehicles from many companies (and that list includes some shitty vehicles like a Cavalier and an Escort).

Sorry for the mini-rant. I just feel it's "false advertising" every time someone tries to pass a Jeep off as low maintenance. Sure there are some lucky ones out there, but most are not low maintenance. But they are still great vehicles.
The leather package is different for the Overland, which is what I was aiming for...but going Limited at least eliminated the chances of fabric. I don't believe Limited's came with a cloth option. When you shop Autotrader or Cars.com, most dealers don't know or don't list what the vehicle actually has so you have to be broad in your search and then weed through a lot. It's a PITA. Bottom line was, I knew I wanted more than the Laredo, and I wanted leather, so Limited or Overland was the way to go for me.

As for repairs, it really does seem to be different strokes for different folks. Maybe I have been lucky, or I consider it ok to have to replace certain things at nearly 100k on a 4WD driven in the rust belt. Off of your list, I have done tie rods, and front caliper. I may have inadvertently eliminated some potential issues by upgrading shocks, end links and sways. But other than that, I'd buy another one. Axles are solid on mine, no leaks, same goes for the transfer case and tranny. No engine issues, no exhaust issues other than that one manifold bolt that snapped on me. No electrical failures that I can remember...maybe I'm on the brink of disaster, but so far, I've been very happy with mine and wouldn't steer anyone away from one. You get a lot for your money on a low mileage WJ especially if you get a higher trim level.
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Re: Looking into Getting a WJ

I bought my 04 Freedom Edition about 3 months ago.
I got it from a dealer for a couple of reasons. It was a one owner and in excellent shape with only 85,000 miles on it and they fixed everything I asked them to as part of the deal. That included the rear main seal and tires just to name a couple of things. I gave $8900 for it. I wanted an I6 engine because that's what I had in my '93 Cherokee that I had for the last 12 years and I never had a problem with the engine, or really anyother major component. As far as fixing anything that might go wrong on the new GC? I'm lucky, I have a brother in law with a lift.
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Re: Looking into Getting a WJ

Don't listen to that rant about that guys piece of shit. My jeep has 155K and the only thing I've replaced was my transmission. And the only reason that happened was I got stuck in water up to the door handles for about an hour lol.
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I love my Limited, only issues I've had with it is normal wear and tear.
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I have a '00 4.0 Laredo. It's been a great car for me. I've had to replace electric fan relay, front CV boots and bearings. Now I'm also 21 and was super abusive to the Jeep in the beginning. I love it and will always try to keep a Jeep in the garage.
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rant about that guys piece of shit.
I couldn't have given it a better name myself. It's not me either, do a Google search and you'll find people replacing the same things around 100k miles. Just letting the OP know what to expect.
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Re: Looking into Getting a WJ

I have a love hate relationship with my 04 limited 4.7. I love it my wife hates it ha ha. She just hates all the money I dump into it for aftermarket goodies. I have been very pleased and drive the crap out of it. Some minor normal wear and tear stuff but nothing major (aside from the wreck repair). Easily in the top 5 favorites that I have owned.
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