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Old 04-27-2010, 08:20 PM
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

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Cant get onto that forum, i need a user name and password... Wanna PM me or email me the original post?

What amount of HP can the Sheradon trans hold up to? what if i just upgraded the valve body.
You really oughtta read the whole thread.......................You should just register, theres alot of very knowledgeable people on that site.

As for the sharadon transmissions, its hard to say. the 545rfe is very finicky in general, because it's fully electronic and relies on a 0-5v reference. Theres been alot of premature failures due to bad sensors, bad PCMs, bad converters, etc etc etc. You're better off asking them personally, as I'm just relaying what I've read- I have no direct experience with them.
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

Still not sure as to what I am going to do yet. But as I continue to do the research, the intertia performance heads dont change the intake and exhaust port size, I would have to step it up to the big valve ones. Or as you mentioned, go with the sheradon sp2's ( might even go the 1's to save a few bucks, but who knows)

I just created an account so ill start poking through that thread

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Old 04-28-2010, 01:07 PM
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

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Still not sure as to what I am going to do yet. But as I continue to do the research, the intertia performance heads dont change the intake and exhaust port size, I would have to step it up to the big valve ones. Or as you mentioned, go with the sheradon sp2's ( might even go the 1's to save a few bucks, but who knows)

I just created an account so ill start poking through that thread

I'd love it it escape chimed in and led me the right way

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There is another guy on the forums (NA, among others) that had a set of standard valve Inertia heads. he made all of 5 whp on the dyno before/after. He went to a set of PPP heads and was much much much happier.

Another fella a while back was looking to home-port his heads, because he didn't have alot of money, but did have some time and some tools. Stu told him to not waste his time, whereas Sharadon talked with the guy over the phone (knowing full-well what he was looking to do- i.e. not spend money with a shop) telling him where to remove material, etc etc etc. That guy ended up being the 2nd Hemi Ram to run 12's.

Since money is an issue, Did you look into Killian? I dont think he has any 5.7 hemi heads on his site, but I know he's done them. Real nice guy to deal with, does nothing but porting, and the heads he does are real performers. Over 35 years of experience, that has to say something. his prices are KILLER too. His valvework, because he no longer has the machinery to do it in-house, is a little pricier than other shops, but the quality and commitment to service is unparalleled.

I'm just trying to shine some light on a topic that is often heavily biased and filled with unsubstantiated opinions.
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I've got a "Super Spartan" cam with 6.1L pushrods, SCT tuner and Borla exhaust available if you are interested. I will be posting these items up on the for sale forum shortly (after I take some pictures) for half of what I paid for them.

The SS cam is a great all-around performing cam with a "sneaky" lope...not too lopy. However, if you stomp on it, everyone will know that you have modified your rig! The Eagle intake requires a spacer and different TB bolts...make sure you get the bolts with the manifold from whom ever you purchase it from, for your stock bolts will not work.

The Spartan Max is a decent cam, but our engines benefit from more duration on the exhaust side, for even with performance heads, you'll get better results with a split duration cam rather than a single pattern cam.
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

Yeah after reading, I am leaning HEAVY to the PPP stage 3 heads. Unfortunately, I think I am going to have to pass on the SRT Max cam too, PPP makes their own to exact specs, so for 20+ shipping more, I can get them to make one for me. As I mentioned I am going to start buying things, but want a general direction of where I am headed, as these probably wont be installed for months.

Thanks for shedding that light on me. I will check out Killian, havnt heard anything about them in the past.

AMW5: I am really looking forward to seeing your ride, because thats where I think I want to head. I was wondering why you didnt go with a forged stroker kit while you were putting in all the work. Will i see that much of a difference in putting a stroker kit in?

Did you use stock injectors? or the 6.1 injectors? what about an oil pump? Did you use the 6.1 or have a different one made or use the stock 5.7 one.

Also, I want a lot of lope... I shouldnt say that, but I want it to SOUND MEANNN
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

need to do more!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.bouchillonperformance.com...Components.asp
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

The SS cam is plenty lopey, but not as much as my SRTMax. I'm getting some random missfires with the later at idle...hopefully not a big problem. Be carefull what you ask for, for I have wayyy too much noise coming out of the SW catback and will be selling it shortly. It's too free flowing with the headers and is letting all of the header sound go straight through...some of you guys would probably like it. However, it's too loud for me. I'm going to try out the stock SRT exhaust next and see if that helps any. The sound from the SS cam and Borla catback was perfect...mean, but not too loud. I hope I can get it to sound that way again. I still need more dyno time to dial in my tune...the Max cam is surging and is harder to tune than the SS.

Regarding the heads...big valves are a waste of coin in my opinion, for I know a few guys out here that are running them and aren't getting much more from them being NA. However, where you would gain would be on a standard set of performance heads or econo heads that have been milled to raise your compression. All of Stu's cams work well with 6.1L springs.

FYI, the bigger the cam, the more power you lose down low...and with AWD Jeeps, a high stall converter is a must for anything bigger than a Spartan cam. My SS cam is the absolute max duration cam I would use without a converter. Because of it's custom profile, it opens the valve quicker but doesn't slam it shut and gives the advantage of more breathing like a bigger duration cam W/O the TQ loss of a longer duration cam. Having said that, it could've benefitted from a converter too, but it's not a must have mod.

I thought about getting stroked, but decided to just get a larger cam and some headers.

I had the 6.1L ('09 5.7L) injectors on at first and they were dumping way too much fuel into the system. So, I took them off and am keeping them handy in case I start to run out of fuel on the stockers at the next dyno session. The stock pre-'09 injectors have more adjustability than the 6.1L injectors. So, if I can get by without the 6.1s, then that is what I plan on doing. The 6.1s are harder to tune, according to my tuner.

Still on the stock oil pump, but puting in a 6.1 wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

I am running the Frank Racing Inc products in my Jeep eventhough its a 6.1 but seen and read about many 5.7 LX's running FRI products and loving the results.

And as far as the bike thing goes, id pass on it personally but the black and red is nice looking.
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

From all appearances PPP makes good stuff but from what I have read they do not do their headwork in-house. I can't confirm that.

Killians is dirt cheap for the quality of work provided, until you start getting into valve work. He doesn't have the proper tooling in-house so he outsources that part of the work.

I too am curious to see what AMW's ride does on the dyno, he will be dynotesting with one of my ported TBs. Should be interesting.

6.1 injectors are just too big to be used....

I like a lopey cam as much as the next guy but keep in mind the more overlap there is, the more headaches you're going to run into when it comes time to tune it. Since you're on a budget, you have to take tuning into consideration.....a really hot cam is going to take some $$$$ datalogging equipment or a decent amount of time on a AWD dyno.


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Yeah after reading, I am leaning HEAVY to the PPP stage 3 heads. Unfortunately, I think I am going to have to pass on the SRT Max cam too, PPP makes their own to exact specs, so for 20+ shipping more, I can get them to make one for me. As I mentioned I am going to start buying things, but want a general direction of where I am headed, as these probably wont be installed for months.

Thanks for shedding that light on me. I will check out Killian, havnt heard anything about them in the past.

AMW5: I am really looking forward to seeing your ride, because thats where I think I want to head. I was wondering why you didnt go with a forged stroker kit while you were putting in all the work. Will i see that much of a difference in putting a stroker kit in?

Did you use stock injectors? or the 6.1 injectors? what about an oil pump? Did you use the 6.1 or have a different one made or use the stock 5.7 one.

Also, I want a lot of lope... I shouldnt say that, but I want it to SOUND MEANNN
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Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani

So I am still up in the air as far as motorcycle, a fun project car, or engine overhual with the jeep...

BUT I do know the direction ill be headed for the jeep if I go that route:

Headers within the next month or two

Then:
Sheradon stage 2 valve body
Sheradon SP2 heads
either forged 392 stroker assembly or forged 5.7
Custom Cam
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