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Old 06-22-2009, 12:18 PM
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Re: 8's in the doors, mounting depth nightmare!

Ok, just a tube basically. I did some reading on this from the JL site.

What do you think about this idea that popped in my head. Instead of running my rear componants install 6" JL audio subs run off the front channels of my 450/1 at 150 watts each in low pass. Then run my front XR's off the rear channels at 75 watts each, then keep my 10W6v2 running off the 500/1. People say rears are mostly useless anyways, so im figuring the 6" subs would be for mid bass.
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Re: 8's in the doors, mounting depth nightmare!

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Ok, just a tube basically. I did some reading on this from the JL site.

What do you think about this idea that popped in my head. Instead of running my rear componants install 6" JL audio subs run off the front channels of my 450/1 at 150 watts each in low pass. Then run my front XR's off the rear channels at 75 watts each, then keep my 10W6v2 running off the 500/1. People say rears are mostly useless anyways, so im figuring the 6" subs would be for mid bass.
I'd prefer to get as much power as you can to the XR's. Remember the passive crossover can eat up as much as 15-30% of power before it reaches the mid/tweet. As for the rears, I'd either run nothing, or a low powered, low-crossed coaxial set - you could do the 6" woofers, but I don't think that would be worth the cost. I say try it out without any rears and see how you like it. I keep mine faded completely gone unless I have some passengers back there.
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Re: 8's in the doors, mounting depth nightmare!

Thats another thing I heard someone say on a site, people were saying rears are a waste but one person mentioned he has alot of passengers in the rear so its nice to have something back there for them to listen too. kinda makes sence to me. I didnt want to go coaxial because i heard componants are superior to them. I just went with the cheaper TR's, just to throw something in there. Its just with those the crossover is built right on the woofer with no adjustment capabilities. So when I am setting the amp I just set it to high pass and thats it??

Its been raining since saturday night around here, so working on my sub enclosure. Coming out great so far. Is it a good idea to double up the front face of the box with two sheets of MDF? Im counter sinking the lip of the sub slightly so its sitting on the MDF and not on the carpet, plus theres a foam gasket around it that I dont think would seal good enough if over the carpet. Im going crazy with my router making slots for everything to fit into nice and tight, then bracing all the corners with wedges of additional MDF. Im following this guys ideas.

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Old 06-22-2009, 01:53 PM
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Thats another thing I heard someone say on a site, people were saying rears are a waste but one person mentioned he has alot of passengers in the rear so its nice to have something back there for them to listen too. kinda makes sence to me. I didnt want to go coaxial because i heard componants are superior to them. I just went with the cheaper TR's, just to throw something in there. Its just with those the crossover is built right on the woofer with no adjustment capabilities. So when I am setting the amp I just set it to high pass and thats it??
Components are superior (for the most part) to coaxials, but it's really a moot point when this discussion is for the rears. They are in such a low-impact location that you won't be able to tell the difference between the stockers or $1,000 components; if you can, then your sound stage is fawked up.

You should set them to full-range or have them low passed - and fade them out.

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Its been raining since saturday night around here, so working on my sub enclosure. Coming out great so far. Is it a good idea to double up the front face of the box with two sheets of MDF? Im counter sinking the lip of the sub slightly so its sitting on the MDF and not on the carpet, plus theres a foam gasket around it that I dont think would seal good enough if over the carpet. Im going crazy with my router making slots for everything to fit into nice and tight, then bracing all the corners with wedges of additional MDF. Im following this guys ideas.

http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/f...471#post143471
Double baffle can never hurt, and it's perfect for counter sinking, so yeah, if you plan to countersink the woofer, then double up the whole face.
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Old 06-22-2009, 06:29 PM
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Re: 8's in the doors, mounting depth nightmare!

So with the rears turn the high pass filter completely off, since there's only a high pass switch with off/12db/24db? The fronts have a LP/BP/HP switch though. Yea, when I finally have this up and running im sure i'll be calling you to help me figure the settings out. lol.
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Old 06-22-2009, 07:43 PM
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So with the rears turn the high pass filter completely off, since there's only a high pass switch with off/12db/24db? The fronts have a LP/BP/HP switch though. Yea, when I finally have this up and running im sure i'll be calling you to help me figure the settings out. lol.
For the fronts you'll want to high pass them.

I'd say cross them at 80hz, let the sub take from 60hz and under. If you have 18db/oct as an option go with that, otherwise I'd use 24db/oct.

For the rears, you can leave them full-range and just fade them out a little. You don't want them to disrupt your sound stage all that much.
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Re: 8's in the doors, mounting depth nightmare!

i have either 12db or 24 db settings. Doesnt matter anyways right now, cuz like I said i'll be calling you, or pay for you to fly out and help. haha.
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i have either 12db or 24 db settings. Doesnt matter anyways right now, cuz like I said i'll be calling you, or pay for you to fly out and help. haha.
hahaha, pay me to fly out! jk, I don't mind helping, anytime bud!
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Re: 8's in the doors, mounting depth nightmare!

Is power wire the same as speaker wire? I have 16' of 8 gauge JL meta wire, was wondering if it is the same useing that for my sub wires from the amp and inside the enclosure. If not I have alot of JL 12 gauge speaker wire or a slightly larger Monster Cable speaker wire I can use, the same I ran for my fronts going into the doors.
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:57 AM
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Is power wire the same as speaker wire? I have 16' of 8 gauge JL meta wire, was wondering if it is the same useing that for my sub wires from the amp and inside the enclosure. If not I have alot of JL 12 gauge speaker wire or a slightly larger Monster Cable speaker wire I can use, the same I ran for my fronts going into the doors.
Wire is wire my friend. The biggest difference you'll find is strand count (i.e. flexibility) and size (gauge).

For your sub you'll be fine with either the 8 gauge or the 12 gauge.
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Wire is wire my friend. The biggest difference you'll find is strand count (i.e. flexibility) and size (gauge).

For your sub you'll be fine with either the 8 gauge or the 12 gauge.

Awesome. The JL 8 gauge I have is left over from the dual amp kit I bought for my two amps, but I ran the 4 gauge for the power wire and had plenty left to run 4 gauge from the block to both amps and then I bought another 6' length of JL ground wire. So instead of my original plan of using the 12 gauge speaker wire i'll use the left over 8 gauge wire that has 735 strands I believe. Its the better wire they have, the one with the colored shielding that can be removed to show the clear shielding below. Guess they market it for instead of buying 2 diff colored wires you can just buy one large length of this stuff for power and ground.
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Awesome. The JL 8 gauge I have is left over from the dual amp kit I bought for my two amps, but I ran the 4 gauge for the power wire and had plenty left to run 4 gauge from the block to both amps and then I bought another 6' length of JL ground wire. So instead of my original plan of using the 12 gauge speaker wire i'll use the left over 8 gauge wire that has 735 strands I believe. Its the better wire they have, the one with the colored shielding that can be removed to show the clear shielding below. Guess they market it for instead of buying 2 diff colored wires you can just buy one large length of this stuff for power and ground.
Cool, now get your ass back to work... I want to see this thing complete!
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