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Re: Paddle Shifter Mod

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will you have/get true auto-stick control from this(my '05 doesnt have it ) Or does the stage 3 sheridan you run do that?
I see you have a 05 Limited w/ the HEMI. You shound have the Autostick feature the same as I do. If you have the Autostick feature this mod will allow you to control it with the paddle shifters also. If your Jeep doesn't have it I cannot add it as it's in the PCM/TCM's logic circuits. I'm just sending a regulated voltage to the Autostick sense circuit that will command it to shift either up or down depending on said voltage. This mod in no way alters the factory program, it mearly allows you to command it from the steering wheel vs the shifter.

You should have it though and as you have a 05 your wiring will be exactly like mine. Anything besides a 05 and your going to have to check the wiring as it may be different.
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Re: Paddle Shifter Mod

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Now it's time to check voltages and rewire to fit the 05
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Man thats gonna be so f'n sexy. I cant wait to see if it works.
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Re: Paddle Shifter Mod

James why you must maping all....?

can you not use the same cable from the lx guys and connect it on the shifterbox and go to the steering with the 2 "empty" pins and connect it with the paddles??
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:54 AM
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Re: Paddle Shifter Mod

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I see you have a 05 Limited w/ the HEMI. You shound have the Autostick feature the same as I do. If you have the Autostick feature this mod will allow you to control it with the paddle shifters also. If your Jeep doesn't have it I cannot add it as it's in the PCM/TCM's logic circuits. I'm just sending a regulated voltage to the Autostick sense circuit that will command it to shift either up or down depending on said voltage. This mod in no way alters the factory program, it mearly allows you to command it from the steering wheel vs the shifter.

You should have it though and as you have a 05 your wiring will be exactly like mine. Anything besides a 05 and your going to have to check the wiring as it may be different.
You are right, I do have auto-stick.What i ment was full control. mine lets me limit the top gear- like every other auto. I cant force it up or keep it from downshifting on its own( i cant lug a gear) Those paddles look sweet, but if I cant MAKE it do what i want/input, then its just pretty.
but,hey,maybe i just have something wrong with mine
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Old 05-17-2012, 09:11 AM
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Man thats gonna be so f'n sexy. I cant wait to see if it works.
I know I can't wait to get it all put together. In tests it already works. I have made the Autostick shift by manually applying the proper voltage to the autostick sense circuit with a voltage regulator and a probe to the circuit. Now I just have to wire the steering wheel paddles to send the proper signal/voltage to the Autostick sense circuit.

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James why you must maping all....?

can you not use the same cable from the lx guys and connect it on the shifterbox and go to the steering with the 2 "empty" pins and connect it with the paddles??
If I was using just a set of paddles and my 2005 steering wheel I'm sure I could, but I am using a whole new steering wheel with all new controls (airbag, cruise control circuits, radio mux controls, horn) and adding paddles into the mix.

Everything is wired different and in different locations in the 2012.

So far only 3 circuits will remain the same but those will have to be re-pinned into the 05 connector. The Air bag also has the same circuits but all 4 of their circuits will have to be re-pinned and placed into the 05 connector.

2012 SC circuits:
SC Switch Return - 5 C3 V937 22g GYSC Switch Sense 1 - 6 C3 V371 22g LGSC Switch Sense 2 - 4 C3 V372 22g YL/BK

2005 SC circuits:
SC Switch Signal Return 2 C3 V397 20g VT/BR -2(page 8W-33-2)SC Switch Signal 1 - 3 C3 V371 20g VT/OR -3 (page 8W-33-2)SC Switch Signal 2 - 4 C3 V372 20g OR/VT - 1(page 8W-33-2)


I will have to put the 2012 pins into the 05 connector using this order:

2012 #5 pin into 2005 #2 cavity
2012 #6 pin into 2005 #3 cavity
2012 #4 pin into 2005 #4 cavity

This will match up the circuitry with the 2012 command modules to the 2005 PCM/TCM and provide the proper response when a control is activated.

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You are right, I do have auto-stick.What i ment was full control. mine lets me limit the top gear- like every other auto. I cant force it up or keep it from downshifting on its own( i cant lug a gear) Those paddles look sweet, but if I cant MAKE it do what i want/input, then its just pretty.
but,hey,maybe i just have something wrong with mine
True, I have redone my whole shift schedule and at WOT shifts are at 6,500, but it will still downshift on it's own. With the modified trans tune you can make it act exactly how you want. Mine will lug a gear at light throttle (1,050 RPM's at about 40 mph), but if you stomp it flashing the converter and sending it to 15psi all in one act, now that really puts a smile on anyones face. Well except my wife's...She got and I was like

My light throttle shift schedule is set to max mpg's (not that I get great mpg's I'm just trying to get out of single digits ). My high throttle schedule is set for power.

All in all though my transmissions logic is the same as yours I just have a built converter, trans, valve body and tuning. So it acts differently.
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Re: Paddle Shifter Mod

The good news.

The electronics I can get to work with a bit of rewiring, soldering and a few other modifications.

Horn, Airbag, Stereo, Paddles and Cruise will function. The heated wheel I can get to work but not in conjunction with my heated seats button. It will have it's own switch (a re-purposed one already on the wheel with a bit of reworking). I'm not sure if I even want to mess with the heated wheel though.

The bad, but not so bad news.

Getting the wheel to fit is going to take a dual splined collar insert/adapter. Off to the Fab shop for some CNC time tomorrow.

As seen in the pic below the 05 wheel shaft is quite a bit smaller than the 2012.



Some other pics removing the 05 wheel.







It is possible. It's just going to be a lot of work. But it will be done.
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I was just gonna post this Escape when I saw this thread. I had an SRT wheel to mod for my 2006 and after I took the my SRt wheel off to do research I saw the shafts were different. I didnt even know this thread existed....or I didnt remember. Sorry...I coulda saved you some heartache or you couldve atleast planned for this setback.
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I was just gonna post this Escape when I saw this thread. I had an SRT wheel to mod for my 2006 and after I took the my SRt wheel off to do research I saw the shafts were different. I didnt even know this thread existed....or I didnt remember. Sorry...I coulda saved you some heartache or you couldve atleast planned for this setback.
No worries. It wouldn't be a true mod without a bit of blood, sweat and a few cuss words...

I just have to make an adapter sleeve with the 2005 splines on the inside and 2012 splines on the outside.

I am glad there is a considerable difference between the 2. It makes it easier to make the sleeve. If it was to small of a difference I would have to adapt the whole 2012 steering column, which I have already sourced 38 miles from me.

One way or another it's getting on there.
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Dude, much props...you've had to have put hours into checking pinouts, voltages, schematics, etc for something you weren't sure was possible but just had to find out. nice work indeed and I hope it pays off!
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