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Yeah, its not that there will ever be any pressure applied to the front, its simply due to the vibration of hitting bumps. I considered just using a nut, and I might do something like that with a nylock nut in a position that it will bottom out against the reflector. There is not a cosmetic function to it; it is simply to keep the projector from moving when hitting bumps. I will try to take a pic this weekend when I work on it. Unfortunately, waiting for the halos is really going to be the critical step in this project. I might put the shrouds on hold until both of my projectors are mounted. Really, if I am going to wait until October for the halos, there isn't a rush to finish one before I start the other. I definitely have the time!
Yup Im in the same boat, Steve said my halos would go out late august/ealrly Sept since Ive been on that list AWHILE now haha, plan is to have them go out so thatd I could have them by end of the first week in Sept. Im going to try and have the HL's done by the 11th which is when I leave the country for some tropical vaykay I return the 18th so no big deal if I dont finish. As long as I get the halos though, Ill be good to go, thats the only thing stopping me, that and well Im sitting on a beach till September haha. ANYWAY, did you see Robs headlights

They look sick, thats some more motivation for us haha, I want the same thing except the black will be body color for me They looked really sharp and leavign the shroud chrome looks sick. I know what Im doing, I think yours are going to look sweet too! Im sure you'll be fine mounting wise, just try stuff out and see if there any play, if not Im sure you'll be fine, worst case you can ass some industrial strength adhesive in the cracks/joints to firmly hold them? GL whichever you do - Anthony
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:54 AM
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Re: Projector retrofit progress

Another idea for making sure the projectors don't move would be to affix a nut to the backside of the projector. That way you could make adjustments and the nut would hold the projectors from moving. Just a thought.

Btw- What type of projectors are you using xenon or bi-xenon?
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:40 AM
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^ Those are quad bi-xenons, 4 highs and 4 lows
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Re: Projector retrofit progress

I'm not cool enough to go quad projectors. But the projectors in my low beam spot are going to be bi-xenon. When I flip on the high beams there will be two xenons, and two halogens. I don't care how it looks to oncoming traffic because, well, oncoming vehicles should never see my high beams! I am definitely putting an HID kit in my fogs though, I just hope it doesn't scatter so much light it makes my fogs unusable in conditions that require them. On a side note, I began epoxying the mounts to the back of the reflector. Using my current mounting points, it aimed my cutoffs about 4 inches below what I wanted, but I will be able to rectify that using the stock adjuster. I made sure that it only takes a couple of degrees of rotation to achieve a 4" rise at 10 feet. As long as I can achieve the proper cutoff at 25' I will be just fine. If my "calculations" are correct, everything is fine and I can start on my shroud this week.
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:33 AM
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I'm not cool enough to go quad projectors. But the projectors in my low beam spot are going to be bi-xenon. When I flip on the high beams there will be two xenons, and two halogens. I don't care how it looks to oncoming traffic because, well, oncoming vehicles should never see my high beams! I am definitely putting an HID kit in my fogs though, I just hope it doesn't scatter so much light it makes my fogs unusable in conditions that require them. On a side note, I began epoxying the mounts to the back of the reflector. Using my current mounting points, it aimed my cutoffs about 4 inches below what I wanted, but I will be able to rectify that using the stock adjuster. I made sure that it only takes a couple of degrees of rotation to achieve a 4" rise at 10 feet. As long as I can achieve the proper cutoff at 25' I will be just fine. If my "calculations" are correct, everything is fine and I can start on my shroud this week.
cool beans, i wasn't sure if the FXRs had a factory adjust but I assumed it had to, didnt see anything on the projector, but I didn't look very hard haha. I cant wait to get home and get in on this project, after seeing Robs im so excited! I too need some HID fogs, have LED now and it completes " the look" but the output isnt there so Im gonna hafta see, hope it doesnt scatter as well, otherwise a fog retrofit may be in order (no good aftermarket projector fogs out there from what ive seen )
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Re: Projector retrofit progress

Well, I have my mounts epoxied to the back, a spacer in between the projector and the reflector and they are aimed to my liking. So, I proceeded with my first attempt at using fiberglass. I bought some "ponte" fabric, attached it to the projector with a hose clamp and glued it all around with some hot glue. There are a few ripples in there, but I think when I build up the shroud, I will be able to smooth them out. Its my first time trying anything like this, so if it doesn't turn out, I will just redo it using what I learned. I also figured something out when aiming too. I have been looking at it like it is rocket science. However, if you just aim them level on the horizontal plane, and keep them level in the rotational plane, I think I will be just fine. I've been caught up trying to mimic the stock output, but I don't think that is the the proper approach. Anyway, here are a couple pics of the progress.





We shall see how this turns out!
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Re: Projector retrofit progress

Hahaha, learning experience number one! That didn't take long at all. The fabric I bought is not going to work for this application. I did some reading and it looked pretty good. It had some nice stretch to it, and it was supposed to yield some smooth results (less sanding). However, to get it pulled properly was a bit too much stress for the glue. Its all coming loose and it has ripples everywhere. Looks like tomorrow I will go buy some fleece and see how that works out.

Oh, and I will also be doing this in the garage in the future. The roommates probably won't be happy tomorrow when they open their doors!
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I was going to say, regarding the aiming situation, you had me thinking it was rocket, when in fact, my original knowledge suggested exactly what you have now realized lol, you convinced me it was going to be much harder than I think it should be lol. Anyway, I think if the cutoff is level and its within the horizontal markers, how else can you aim it really? As long as the base is as near the level it will be mounted, Id say you can just use the standard assessment of aiming the cutoff from this website (all based on US DOT legal regs. etc):

http://www.midstatedmc.com/tech/aim.htm

OR an easier approach Ive found works, from 25 feet, mark a spot on a vertical surface that is exactly the same height as the middle of your beam point (middle of headlight) and the cutoff should then be about 2-3 inches below that line, then make sure they are both aiming mostly straight (reflector has line?) and you're good

And FTR - these cannot be changed whatsoever according to Matt at TRS, so once we mount them thats it! So Id better get it perfect the first time lol.
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looks great so far!
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I was going to say, regarding the aiming situation, you had me thinking it was rocket, when in fact, my original knowledge suggested exactly what you have now realized lol, you convinced me it was going to be much harder than I think it should be lol. Anyway, I think if the cutoff is level and its within the horizontal markers, how else can you aim it really?
The problem is that you read so much and you see all these people having problems that it makes it appear harder. Until you actual do it, you realize that maybe some people should not be attempting certain things! I'm a bit ambitious with a lot of projects and I've definitely been in over my head before. This one though, I wasn't messing around. Problem is...its not really that hard!

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an easier approach Ive found works, from 25 feet, mark a spot on a vertical surface that is exactly the same height as the middle of your beam point (middle of headlight) and the cutoff should then be about 2-3 inches below that line, then make sure they are both aiming mostly straight (reflector has line?) and you're good

And FTR - these cannot be changed whatsoever according to Matt at TRS, so once we mount them thats it! So Id better get it perfect the first time lol.
Yeah, I will be aiming them at 25 feet once they are on the car, right now its just 10 feet from a wall to ensure level cutoffs. I'm trying to get them as straight as possible on the reflector because they are not adjustable once they are mounted. Although, you will still always be able to adjust the horizontal plane using the stock adjuster for the reflector. The projector doesn't have any type of adjustment itself, its all based on how its mounted. Its really rotation and vertical that need to be permanently fixed properly...and I typically don't like to settle for close enough. At least not right away.

If you do go the route of mounting them directly to the housing, you should still have a pretty good amount of adjustment when everything is closed up. As long as you can get to the screws outside of the housing, you can still do a little fine tuning.
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The problem is that you read so much and you see all these people having problems that it makes it appear harder. Until you actual do it, you realize that maybe some people should not be attempting certain things! I'm a bit ambitious with a lot of projects and I've definitely been in over my head before. This one though, I wasn't messing around. Problem is...its not really that hard!



Yeah, I will be aiming them at 25 feet once they are on the car, right now its just 10 feet from a wall to ensure level cutoffs. I'm trying to get them as straight as possible on the reflector because they are not adjustable once they are mounted. Although, you will still always be able to adjust the horizontal plane using the stock adjuster for the reflector. The projector doesn't have any type of adjustment itself, its all based on how its mounted. Its really rotation and vertical that need to be permanently fixed properly...and I typically don't like to settle for close enough. At least not right away.

If you do go the route of mounting them directly to the housing, you should still have a pretty good amount of adjustment when everything is closed up. As long as you can get to the screws outside of the housing, you can still do a little fine tuning.
Cool, thats what those little slots are on the reflector haha, I had no idea. I guess you never know until you really look; main reason being I guess becase the factory headlights were never an issue and I swapped out shortly after getting the Jeep so never needed to mess with them.

I do like the adjustable cutoff options my cheapy ebay projectors have so Im not so sure why TRS couldnt incorporate a way to adjust the cutoff unless that would be projkector specific? My guess is that most projectors E55s, TSX's etc that are made for OEM use are all self leveling so they need no adjutment and then most retrofitters being that they are using them for ther optical advantage wont be abel to use the auto leveling obviously as its built into cars electrical system thus losing the adjustability, just a guess though?

BUT these FX-Rs were "supposedly" desingned for retrfofitting so Im surprised there isn't some adjutability incorporated into them Either way all good Cant wait to see yours done, get em going alreadyyy haha, j/k no rush, I know you want them to be perfect, Im sure they will be with all the time/effort you put, Im sure they'll reflect it (no pun intended lol)
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Well, I am assuming all OEM projectors are rotationally and vertically aligned...so the only thing that needs to be adjusted is the horizontal plane. And you said it, most of them have leveling motors. We unfortunately don't have that ability with a retrofit. So, your adjust-ability comes down to how you mount them. I'm not sure if you have browsed the links section at the TRS website, but there is a great HID specific forum. I am a member there as well and it has some great mounting ideas. However, with the bottom of out reflectors being visible, it really limits what we can do with the WK lights. If you haven't already, check out those links.

All reflectors have some great alignment lines built right into them. Every line that is vertical on reflectors is supposed to be perpendicular to the ground. So, if you use those as a reference with a square piece of material, you will be able to draw out a line that can be used to vertically and rotationally align the projector. I have pretty much just been eye-balling it as of late and it has come out decent. What I need to do is crack open my other assembly and get the passenger side mounted. I'm thinking I want to do both of my fiberglass shrouds at the same time. Technically speaking, it will cut my curing time in half if I do both sides at the same time. It's really a labor of love, tweaking is a hobby of mine I suppose!

I realize we are basically conversing between ourselves here, but I hope our threads provide some good info for future WK retrofitters. I think we are doing a good job so far!
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