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'13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

I am debating on whether it will be worth it for me to install the OEM hitch on my JGC because of the towing capacity.

I have a project car that needs to be towed from shop to shop, occasionally. Besides towing this car I do not expect to use the hitch for anything else. But my concern is whether my GC will be able to haul the car, since it it s v6.

The car weighs about 3200lbs and according to UHaul their auto transports is around 2200lbs.

I have a base Laredo v6.
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Re: '13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

2200 sounds heavy, but uhaul tends to buy overbuilt stuff. You'll ave no problem towing 5400 with the v6, just be aware that you're at the max, and your vehicle will not behave the same.
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Re: '13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

Thanks driver354.

Now to find a dealership that will not try to rape me for an install. I called 2 dealership and both are just a tad bit under $1k for a complete install.
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Re: '13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

You could try a regular tow hitch shop although with the factory Jeep hitch, you'll get the lower bumper fascia with the hitch portion cut out, and both the 9 and 4 pin wiring hookups with the spring loaded flaps. One thing to keep in mind is that although all Jeeps have the electronic trailer sway control, getting the factory hitch will not get you the same setup as the factory trailer tow group, you'll be missing the load leveling suspension. Being at the top end of trailer weight, be very conscious of the tongue weight and how the trailer is loaded. Depending on the weight distribution of the car being carried, it may be better to back the car on the trailer to ensure that the heaviest part(engine bay) is over the axles of the trailer.

Best of luck.

ETA--If it were me, and you're just towing occasionally, and not willing to spend the extra $1000+ on the ZF load leveling shocks, I'd just get an aftermarket hitch. It'll probably run about $500 or less installed.
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2200 sounds heavy, but uhaul tends to buy overbuilt stuff. You'll ave no problem towing 5400 with the v6, just be aware that you're at the max, and your vehicle will not behave the same.
With the 13 the max a v6 can legally tow is 5000 lbs, which goes down to 3500 without the factory tow package.
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Re: '13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

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With the 13 the max a v6 can legally tow is 5000 lbs, which goes down to 3500 without the factory tow package.


I am not sure why the tow capacity would drop down to 3500 without the factory tow package.

The tow group only includes: 7- and 4-pin Wiring Harness, Class IV Receiver Hitch, Full-Size Spare Tire, Steel Spare Wheel, Delete Rear Tow Hook and load leveling suspension.

I am not sure how these components will downgrade the payload.
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Re: '13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

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I am not sure why the tow capacity would drop down to 3500 without the factory tow package.

The tow group only includes: 7- and 4-pin Wiring Harness, Class IV Receiver Hitch, Full-Size Spare Tire, Steel Spare Wheel, Delete Rear Tow Hook and load leveling suspension.

I am not sure how these components will downgrade the payload.
The towing package comes with load leveling rear shocks, I am guessing that has a lot to do with it. I would guess that without that it can't properly balance the heavy load and tongue weight associated with the heavier weights. There is also the heavy duty alternator, and supposedly heavy duty cooling/coolers.
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Re: '13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

I can't find any documents that states a non tow packaged GC is only able to tow 3600. I reread the manual and also the jeep website.
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The towing package comes with load leveling rear shocks, I am guessing that has a lot to do with it. I would guess that without that it can't properly balance the heavy load and tongue weight associated with the heavier weights. There is also the heavy duty alternator, and supposedly heavy duty cooling/coolers.
Leveling shocks does not change the vehicle loading capacity. Tongue weights over 500 Pounds need weight distributing hitches. Spending the money on getting the vehicle level will not make it any safer towing.

It is definately an issue without the Factory Tow package are lack of oil coolers for the Transmission and heavy duty cooling on the engine.
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I am debating on whether it will be worth it for me to install the OEM hitch on my JGC because of the towing capacity.

I have a project car that needs to be towed from shop to shop, occasionally. Besides towing this car I do not expect to use the hitch for anything else. But my concern is whether my GC will be able to haul the car, since it it s v6.

The car weighs about 3200lbs and according to UHaul their auto transports is around 2200lbs.

I have a base Laredo v6.
Actually you are 400 Pounds over the weight. Not a good idea at all. Towing at the Max weight is not recommended on a regular basis and that Transmission is not going to be very happy at all since it is not supposed to tow over 5000 and you are going to run it over Max without Oil Cooling Lines?

I wouldn't risk it, chassy and bumper will do OK because it is the same setup in the V8 but that would be Risky with that transmission
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Re: '13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

I have the factory towing package and it did not include the load levelling shocks. What I suspect is that the factory class IV receiver mounts high and solid (slides into the "frame rails" and has four large mounting bolts on each side).

The aftermarket hitches I have seen seemed to be underslung, mounted below the facia, and with fewer bolts.

All I can say is that when I was rearended by a 150 F*rd truck, the front of the truck folded around my receiver & had to be towed away while my tailgate still worked normally & drove fine. Did not even need an alignment. One of the receiver chain loops was bent & broke the red reflector I had in the receiver.

BTW all I can say is that I have towed a lot more with a lot less, you just need to "drive gentle" and watch the temperature gauge.

ps I use a dolly and think it weiighs less than 500 lbs. Does have surge brakes.
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Re: '13 JGC Laredo Car Hauling Question

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Actually you are 400 Pounds over the weight. Not a good idea at all. Towing at the Max weight is not recommended on a regular basis and that Transmission is not going to be very happy at all since it is not supposed to tow over 5000 and you are going to run it over Max without Oil Cooling Lines?

I wouldn't risk it, chassy and bumper will do OK because it is the same setup in the V8 but that would be Risky with that transmission

Thank you for everyone's input.

I truly understand your position but as you said it would be a concern if it was on a daily basis, I do not expect to be towing on a daily basis. However, if towing turns out to be frequent I would force myself to look into purchasing a fully aluminum chassis trailer which will lighten up the load.

I only anticipate on hauling this load once or twice and the first haul will be in the coming week. On that trip I would say the driving condition would be 95% freeway driving. I understand the concern with the engine and transmission cooling but since it will be mainly freeway I believe the air velocity will sufficient enough to cool the engine. On most vehicle that travels on the freeway, the engine fan hardly kicks in because there is more than enough cool air flow that it doesn't need the fan. Secondly, once the trailer begins to move the momentum will simply pull the load along and less strain will be place on the drivetrain and powertrain. The torque is mainly needed at a start from a complete stop and inclination. The rest will just be momentum.

My concern was mainly would the truck struggle throughout the haul and whether the truck will have enough torque to pull the load. I realize that I am a tad bit over the capacity but as padgett said as long as I be gentle I should be okay.
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