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Lifted from the factory? Hell, they both have 8.7 inches of ground clearance. Come on dude, you can't fall for a marketing ploy. Its a taller version of a Dart, its def not the same Cherokee as it was before. And OP, I wouldn't do any real off roading with either vehicles. Taking it to the pass for snowboarding, sure. Going to the beach on the sand, why not. Going through an actual trail, of course not.
If you keep comparing it to the old xj you will always see it as inferior. Comparing them strictly off road sure the xj is better, but it is 2013, not 1995, people are not buying these things strictly for off road, it has to have on road manners too. Also, yes you can definitely tell the difference between say the sport and the trailhawk height wise, the trailhawk looks almost 2" taller.
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How about a stock xj vs. Stock gc?
It depends on what you are talking about, to me at least. The grand Cherokee has almost no articulation in it, so over rocks you are going to tip back and forth and be uneasy the whole time. However stock for stock the Cherokee has open diffs and tiny tires, so if it pops a wheel in the air that axle is useless. If your not needing the articulation though in sand or mud aside from weight I would still rather have the grand Cherokee because of the comfort and the computer system putting power to the ground. Some people like it old school though and don't like all of the electronics, which is fine, that is why they make the wrangler, lets be honest though, what is the percentage of Grand Cherokee buyers and new Cherokee drivers taking these things off road.
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Ground Clearance - at curb weight - Running Ground Clearance Sport =7.9" Latitude = 8.2" Trailhawk = 8.8" Limited = 8.2"

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I meant the Subaru Forester & trailhawk Cherokee. According to Car & Driver, they both have 8.7 inches of ground clearance.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

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It depends on what you are talking about, to me at least. The grand Cherokee has almost no articulation in it, so over rocks you are going to tip back and forth and be uneasy the whole time. However stock for stock the Cherokee has open diffs and tiny tires, so if it pops a wheel in the air that axle is useless. If your not needing the articulation though in sand or mud aside from weight I would still rather have the grand Cherokee because of the comfort and the computer system putting power to the ground. Some people like it old school though and don't like all of the electronics, which is fine, that is why they make the wrangler, lets be honest though, what is the percentage of Grand Cherokee buyers and new Cherokee drivers taking these things off road.
He is asking about the stock XJ Cherokee vs the WK2.
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Stock for Stock, the XJ will do better off road. If you are doing more serious off roading, spring articulation and flex play a vital role. The WK2 simply does not flex as it is an crossover like IFS/IRS platform. Meaning, it will not have the traction that the old XJ has. Plus, if you want to truly take the vehicle off road and beat on it, building an XJ would be a much easier route as it has the foundation (ie solid axles).
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Yes...stock xj vs. Stock wk2


Imo...the stock wk2 wins hands down. My point here is dont compare a heavily modded xj vs. a stock wk2. Sure. ..put a 6" lift and 37's and all associated mods and the xj will do better. That like comparing performance of a stock srt vs. Twin turbo 426 srt.....
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Stock XJ vs. stock 2014 cherokee trail hawk.
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Yes...stock xj vs. Stock wk2

Imo...the stock wk2 wins hands down. My point here is dont compare a heavily modded xj vs. a stock wk2. Sure. ..put a 6" lift and 37's and all associated mods and the xj will do better. That like comparing performance of a stock srt vs. Twin turbo 426 srt.....
Couldn't have been said better. I will take it one further. I would argue the wk2 with the air suspension and QD2 is the most capable jeep off road beside the wrangler in stock form. That includes all the older and newer Cherokees and older Grand Cherokees. As for how well the vehicle can be modified that is a different story.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

Look, you can be a fan boi all you want but the truth is, the older Jeeps are much more suited for off roading. The simple fact is the new vehicles are hindered compared to the older ones. When off roading you will go only as far as you can based on one thing, traction. Old Jeeps with axles articulate and flex better than the IFS/IRS vehicles. Meaning they will have a greater contact patch to the trail. Also, you would have to take curb weight into consideration, especially if a vehicle weighs 1,000 lbs less than the other (XJ vs WK2). Now we are talking stock for stock here. We're not talking about throwing a cheap lift on and dedicated off road tires.
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Look, you can be a fan boi all you want but the truth is, the older Jeeps are much more suited for off roading. The simple fact is the new vehicles are hindered compared to the older ones. When off roading you will go only as far as you can based on one thing, traction. Old Jeeps with axles articulate and flex better than the IFS/IRS vehicles. Meaning they will have a greater contact patch to the trail. Also, you would have to take curb weight into consideration, especially if a vehicle weighs 1,000 lbs less than the other (XJ vs WK2). Now we are talking stock for stock here. We're not talking about throwing a cheap lift on and dedicated off road tires.
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You can cling to the past all you want. Open you eyes to change, there is a whole big world out there.
I'm a huge Jeep fan boy. As are most of the folks on this site, heck its a site dedicated to Jeeps. No one ever said that the old Jeeps weren't more suited for offroading. They are a fantastic foundation to build a very capable trail rig from, but the XJ hasn't been produced since 01. Its really dated inside and out. If you want a modern, comfortable and CAPABLE new Jeep, you need to look no further than Jeeps current line up. Remember... Were talking stock Jeeps here.

The XJ was never offered with lockers. Sure they are capable of flexing more, once the swaybar is disconnected. I'm quite sure you wanted to compare stock vs. stock though. Now, lets take a wk2 with qd2 and ora2 and put that up against the XJ. The XJ isn't going anywhere once the weight is off the drooped tire. It doesn't have lockers. The wk2 will walk right through what stopped the XJ. Seriously, curb weight...your really grasping here huh? Can't say me or my wheeling buddies have ever said oh you would have made that climb if your curb weight wasn't so high. Loose 1k lbs and try next time. LOL.

I will gladly meet anyone local in their stock XJ at the badlands in Attica IN. I'll bring the wk2 trailhawk and we can find out first hand which one is more capable?
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

You are ignoring everything else that makes a vehicle capable off road; Approach angle, departure angle, break over angle, GROUND CLEARANCE, and the 4x4 system. The WK2's with the air suspension have comparable approach, breakover, and departure angles to any Cherokee or Grand Cherokee in the past. What the WK2 does have a significant advantage in is the ground clearance department. Traction is also a good point. If there is a situation where one side of an XJ has no traction it doesn't matter that the axles are solid or how much flex you have because there is no form of traction control. Whether it be by lockers, limited slip, or brake traction control in the XJ. So in that situation an XJ will not move where any of the GC's with Quadra trac 4x4 would.
Curb weight I have to give to you. The WK2's have fat ass
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