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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

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You can cling to the past all you want. Open you eyes to change, there is a whole big world out there.
I'm a huge Jeep fan boy. As are most of the folks on this site, heck its a site dedicated to Jeeps. No one ever said that the old Jeeps weren't more suited for offroading. They are a fantastic foundation to build a very capable trail rig from, but the XJ hasn't been produced since 01. Its really dated inside and out. If you want a modern, comfortable and CAPABLE new Jeep, you need to look no further than Jeeps current line up. Remember... Were talking stock Jeeps here.

The XJ was never offered with lockers. Sure they are capable of flexing more, once the swaybar is disconnected. I'm quite sure you wanted to compare stock vs. stock though. Now, lets take a wk2 with qd2 and ora2 and put that up against the XJ. The XJ isn't going anywhere once the weight is off the drooped tire. It doesn't have lockers. The wk2 will walk right through what stopped the XJ. Seriously, curb weight...your really grasping here huh? Can't say me or my wheeling buddies have ever said oh you would have made that climb if your curb weight wasn't so high. Loose 1k lbs and try next time. LOL.

I will gladly meet anyone local in their stock XJ at the badlands in Attica IN. I'll bring the wk2 trailhawk and we can find out first hand which one is more capable?
I wish I could man, but my ZJ hasn't been stock for a decade lol. No one ever said that the WK2 isn't capable or luxurious because it certainly is, that's one of the reasons I have one. But a stock XJ with UpCountry suspension (it was an option, I guess like a distant relative to the TrailHawk), would outwheel a modern WK.

The thing is, I doubt we will actually see this happening seeing as finding a mint stock XJ these days is next to impossible. And yes, the weight of the vehicle plays a role when 4wheeling. I can't tell you how many times I've seen first hand lighter vehicles go over berms while heavier ones bog down. I have a buddy with a what once was a toyota truck thats now a dedicated 4wheeler, if it weighed 1000 lbs heavier, theres no way we would do half of the stuff we do off road.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

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I wish I could man, but my ZJ hasn't been stock for a decade lol. No one ever said that the WK2 isn't capable or luxurious because it certainly is, that's one of the reasons I have one. But a stock XJ with UpCountry suspension (it was an option, I guess like a distant relative to the TrailHawk), would outwheel a modern WK.
LOL, well a ZJ is more capable than an XJ, I suggested the XJ but either will do. Neither in stock trim will keep up with the wk2 w/ ora2 and qd2.


Not a chance the UC equipped XJ woudl out wheel a wk2 with ora2 and qd2. The XJ had open diffs. When the tire droops, and the weight is off of it, all forward progress stops. The zj, wk, wk2 That had quadra drive WILL be superior to the XJ up country off road.

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The thing is, I doubt we will actually see this happening seeing as finding a mint stock XJ these days is next to impossible. And yes, the weight of the vehicle plays a role when 4wheeling. I can't tell you how many times I've seen first hand lighter vehicles go over berms while heavier ones bog down. I have a buddy with a what once was a toyota truck thats now a dedicated 4wheeler, if it weighed 1000 lbs heavier, theres no way we would do half of the stuff we do off road.
I can possibly make this happen. My cousin has a bone stock 00 XJ classic. I have the 13 trail hawk. Let me see if my cousin will go along with taking her pristine XJ off road in order for me to prove a point.

Light weight is where its at...im constantly replacing steel with alum on my rig, but I wheel with and have owned plenty of over weight rigs.
HP, tons, and a good driver should not be underestimated.

FWIW, I have taken 2 stock ZJ's to CO and a stock XJ to CO wheeling.(and numerous built rigs from mild to tons, full hydro, etc) I have ran the same trails in all rigs. I feel I have a pretty darn good basis for my opinion.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

This video illustrates how capable a wk2 is...



Where the wk2 started lifting a tire, the XJ would be dead in its tracks.

Case closed.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

I dont think I would have taken my jeep on that part of the trail. Love it too much... LOL. Maybe in 10 years I will.

Good job and hats off to you for being so daring!

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That wasn't me , just sharing the video. I don't think you'd tear anything up, I'd be worried about scratching a wheel lol.
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http://youtu.be/qVnvt_dFoDE

I think it's safe to say a stock XJ couldn't hang.

How about you bumpinjeep?
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What about vs. a stock rental car? Those things will go anywhere!!

One more factor you all forgot... the driver! Fact is, all of the Jeeps are capable offroad vehicles if you want them to be. They are JEEPS after all!

I used to love taking my old Wagoneer out on the trails and having snobby Wrangler/CJ owners (no offense to anyone, that is not intended as a generalization) laugh at me when I pulled up to an obstacle and start arguing about who is going to have to strap my huge ass grocery getter.... And then see their jaws hit the ground when I owned it.

All if these vehicle are capable in their own way... Whether its through raw toughness of the past (FSJ, XJ, CJ), modability (ZJ, WJ, YJ), modern technology (WK2, new Cherokee), or natural ability (TJ, JK).

I guess it's just a jeep thing... But you all understand
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Good point. Driver is probably the biggest variable.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roaring

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The "Cherokee" and the "Grand Cherokee" are totally different platforms. The latter can be an off-road powerhouse. I'm not sure how well the former will perform in that respect...
What're you trying to say there, fella?
You implying that a glorified Fiat just might not be up to the task? :-)
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I read today on Autoweek that their Cherokee ran the Hell's Revenge trail. Not sure if they did the Hell's Gate and Lions Back... no pictures.

Looks like Jeep is marketing the new Cherokee is worthy of its name. We can only wait and see...
Yeah, Autoweek already chimed in their vote, as in why did they have to call it the Cherokee...
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What're you trying to say there, fella?
You implying that a glorified Fiat just might not be up to the task? :-)
Na...just suggesting that the jury will have to be out until there is an actual vehicle on the, err...off the road....
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It depends on what you are talking about, to me at least. The grand Cherokee has almost no articulation in it, so over rocks you are going to tip back and forth and be uneasy the whole time. However stock for stock the Cherokee has open diffs and tiny tires, so if it pops a wheel in the air that axle is useless. If your not needing the articulation though in sand or mud aside from weight I would still rather have the grand Cherokee because of the comfort and the computer system putting power to the ground. Some people like it old school though and don't like all of the electronics, which is fine, that is why they make the wrangler, lets be honest though, what is the percentage of Grand Cherokee buyers and new Cherokee drivers taking these things off road.
Excellent point. If you want to be able to handle pretty much anything, get a Wrangler Rubicon [or build your own] Unlimited or standard.

If you really don't need serious hardcore, and would like a bit better road manners, get a Cherokee or Trailhawk.

If you don't need serious hardcore, and would like a LOT better road manners [say, like driving a big Benz sedan], get a Grand with the air suspension.

I like the new 2014 Grand, but I seriously doubt if I'd ever take it places the old ZJ it replaced could go. Maybe it could make it, but I'm getting too old for long walks back to civilization these days.
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