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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

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I think it's safe to say a stock XJ couldn't hang.

How about you bumpinjeep?
Dude, that's a Jeep commercial, of course they are going to make it look like it can go anywhere. If those were the typical obstacles then a XJ will easily go through that. No problem. Then again, it does depend on the driver, you and I can probably find a good line, but someone who hasn't taken a vehicle off road could get stuck in a Unimog.
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Dude, that's a Jeep commercial, of course they are going to make it look like it can go anywhere. If those were the typical obstacles then a XJ will easily go through that. No problem. Then again, it does depend on the driver, you and I can probably find a good line, but someone who hasn't taken a vehicle off road could get stuck in a Unimog.
Yep, great commercial. Very impressive. Ever been up hells gate? I have several times. I'm impressed. We're not talking typical obstacles. We're talking about what's more capable. If we need to water down the obstacles to "typical" so the XJ can hang, then I'd say the 14 trail hawk is more capable in stock trim, how about you?

Same driver. Same obstacle - hells gate. Lets eliminate as many variables as possible.
XJ vs. 14 cherokee trail hawk.

Would a stock XJ make it up hells gate???

No, because you can't make a run at it. As soon as the XJ lost traction it would be game over. The driver would be forced to pull cable.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

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Yep, great commercial. Very impressive. Ever been up hells gate? I have several times. I'm impressed. We're not talking typical obstacles. We're talking about what's more capable. If we need to water down the obstacles to "typical" so the XJ can hang, then I'd say the 14 trail hawk is more capable in stock trim, how about you?

Same driver. Same obstacle - hells gate. Lets eliminate as many variables as possible.
XJ vs. 14 cherokee trail hawk.

Would a stock XJ make it up hells gate???

No, because you can't make a run at it. As soon as the XJ lost traction it would be game over. The driver would be forced to pull cable.
I've never taken any of my Jeeps to Hell's Gate. However I haven't seen anything in that video you posted that a XJ wouldn't be able to do.
Stock for stock, the XJ will go places the tall dart wont.

Jeep XJ Offroad - YouTube
Stock Jeep XJ Cherokee Quarry.wmv - YouTube
Stock Jeep Cherokee and Modified Toyota 4Runner Rockhampton Water Tower.wmv - YouTube

Also, Jeep should "trail rate" this thing too
Random Subaru Forester Off Road Clips - YouTube
Subaru Forester, Hummer Centrum - YouTube

One thing to consider is that neither one of us has seen what the new cherokee can do outside of a official Jeep commerical. So how about we revisit this conversation in like 6 months when it comes out and people have taken it on some real trails?
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[QUOTE="bumpinjeep;877435"]

I've never taken any of my Jeeps to Hell's Gate. However I haven't seen anything in that video you posted that a XJ wouldn't be able to do.
Stock for stock, the XJ will go places the tall dart wont. [\QUOTE]

So your saying an XJ would be able to go up hells gate without lockers once it had a tire in the air? Sorry your wrong. I like the XJ too, owned several. But I'm realistic too.

Jeep XJ Offroad - YouTube
Stock Jeep XJ Cherokee Quarry.wmv - YouTube
Stock Jeep Cherokee and Modified Toyota 4Runner Rockhampton Water Tower.wmv - YouTube

Also, Jeep should "trail rate" this thing too
Random Subaru Forester Off Road Clips - YouTube
Subaru Forester, Hummer Centrum - YouTube
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One thing to consider is that neither one of us has seen what the new cherokee can do outside of a official Jeep commerical. So how about we revisit this conversation in like 6 months when it comes out and people have taken it on some real trails?
Sure we can do that, but the XJ still won't have lockers, and ill still be right.

The videos you posted were nonsense and in no way show anything the 14 trail hawk wouldn't be capable of traversing. Now if you had posted a video of a stock XJ going up hells gate I'd be wrong.
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I would like to see the xj go up against the grand cherokee wk2 simply because of the 2 are so different. While I agree that without lockers the xj will lose traction completely in one axle if it pops a tire, my question is how much would it pop a tire in the air seeing as it has 2 solid axles. These pictures are taken from climbing a rock in my yard, without some form of traction control it would have gotten no where, but in rock mode it did just fine, although as you can see one of the rear tires is up in the air...
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

Jeep puts all of their vehicles through some of the best known trails to back up the "Trail Rated" badge. Not a marketing ploy.

A 4x4 GC with a quadra lift suspension is much more capable than a Cherokee TH in hard situations... but it costs a lot more.

Recent magazines took Cherokee THs on a MOAB trail. They all were impressed with the capability but they all said the JK that was leading the pack was the real vehicle for this terrain.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

Stock Jeeps I have owned.
1992 XJ I6 sold
1992 YJ I6 sold
2010 KK still have
2013 WK2 Trailhawk 5.7 still have.

The YJ and XJ at some point were heavily modified.
The best Jeep on and off road out of the box on my list is without doubt the WK2.
I understand it's limitations, but here is why it's such a great truck.
I have gone 90 mph in 65 mph headwinds. The jeep handled flawlessly, just terrible mpg in that case. Tows my boat and trailer. 5000 lb and does not even break a sweat. A/C blows ice cubes. 24.5 gallon fuel tank. It is the absolute best utility vehicle I have owned and in stock form vs. stock form out offroaded my previous rigs.
Jeep did a brilliant job on this truck.
Will it be the grand poobah of off road? Likely not.
When the a/m gets going with Trailhawk 2 style fender mods, long travel suspensions and the like well... It will be a great contender.
No it is not a Jeep Rubicon, but a Rubicon isn't my Hawk either.
The WK2 is just so well rounded.
I am having a hard time with the naysayers of 4 wheel independant suspension when I go to Cabelas and all of the fourwheelers and little side by side utes are built that way.
Makes a guy think.
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Re: 14' Cherokee Trailhawk vs 14' Grand Cherokee for off roading

I'm wondering what most in this thread are considering "off road".

I've seen some comments like: "Taking it to the pass for snowboarding, sure. Going to the beach on the sand, why not. Going through an actual trail, of course not."

"its a crossover wanna be"

etc.


I had never gone "off roading" before moving to CO, but I've done some of the milder trails out here. Not rock climbing or anything like that, but based on Trail Damage, the highest I'll go is about a 4 (out of 10). I normally go alone (1 vehicle), I've never aired down my tires (I do have Nitto Terra Grapplers, though), and I've only had to put it in 4-lo about.... 5x ever in the 2 years I've owned it.

I'm not claiming to have done anything crazy, but I don't think it would be unrealistic to say that someone with more experience than I and with a group, could do level 5 trail. Obviously there is a limit with the wk2 (flex, etc.), but I'd say its pretty capable out of the box, especially compared to what else is available on the market today.

Here is Trail Damage's rating system: TrailDamage.com - Rating Numbers

I've never been in a new Cherokee Trailhawk either, so I can't say how capable they are. I don't doubt that they could probably do any of the trails I've been on. I do not think that something like a Ford Edge/Escape, Chevy Equinox, etc. could do these trails, though.
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