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Re: '14 Plows through house

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Jacko, unfortunately it's not only teens texting, this applies to many young & middle aged drivers. Perhaps, the aged are more focused & we should all get a reality check before accusing certain age groups....


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It's a given that texting is a very serious problem for everyone, but worse in teens since they aren't that experienced on the road to begin with and can't react as quickly or as 'instinctively' as a more experienced driver. Teens driving is very dangerous, but they passed their test and you could I guess require more frequent testing, but I don't know how feasible this is.

The senior question is not really debatable. You can find piles of data, backing up that once a person is well into their years, I'm talking about 75-80 the accident rate per mile is off the chart. Far worse than any other age group. The chart attached earlier shows the fatal accident rate, but it's not even on an even playing field. Seniors upwards of 75 drive far less then all the other age groups. They pretty much go locally to the church, post office etc. They probably drive 1/10 of what the average driver does. If you put that into the equation, per mile they are an extremely dangerous group. Kinda makes me glad I'm in a GC.
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Re: '14 Plows through house

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"Cops do not lie all day every day"

What exactly do you base that claim on? And how would you know the level of honesty in each and every officer? To say what you did shows how people think. They think police officers are some shining beacon of truth that could not and would not ever be dishonest under any circumstances.

Anyone who blindly thinks the police would never lie or harm someone are sadly mistaken. It happens every day. Most officers are good people. But there are plenty that are terrible human beings who couldn't tell the difference between the truth and a bologna sandwich.
I was just trying to make the point that they are going to test this lady's blood and see what she was on (or prove she was sober). So this would be a hard situation for an officer to lie because it will be quickly proven wrong.

But anyway I totally hijacked this thread and I apologize....
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Re: '14 Plows through house

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The truth of the matter is all age groups are guilty of something when it comes to a vehicle accident. The data that Jacko presented supports that. Their is plenty of data to be found on web today. To start blaming any group is not right. Technology and society does a number on us, as well as, other factors that we might not be privy to. It has differently changed our driving habits from being that safe driver that we are taught at the beginning.

The proper thing to combat this effect is make sure through the use of public announcements that a reality check should be given. A simple questionnaire that could be in a newspaper, on the web, a trailer at a movie theater, at a sporting event...etc. The questions designed for drivers as self check list to see if they are up to par and make sure the questions are for all age groups. At the end of the questionnaire a statement that by such and such year if the number of accidents is not severely reduced, then look forward for some sort of mandatory retesting.

Yes, today we live in age of instant access to communications in various forms. The other party sending out the request for information in form a phone call, a text message and email for example cannot wait for answer. As a result, those you have to respond in a vehicle while driving, in return must get out an answer because the end result of waiting to longer could lead to some negative effect. The cause and effect of this process could and does lead to some sort of accidents.

When comes to our beloved senior citizens, the children, their friends and even maybe their ministers should watch and encourage those who can not drive anymore to hang up the car keys with honor. I know of senior citizens in their late years that drive the pants of many and sharp like anything. Their are senior citizens who drive patiently and cautious on the roads and have a fine driving record at their age. The rookie drives out their today should take lessons from them.

Do not even get me started with the so called showoff class of drivers (Car A) that have no respect for their fellow drives on the road. I wonder if their is any statistics of the number of near misses they cause or the typical scenario of Car B colliding into Car C. Or not letting a person cross the street.

So instead of bashing one another again, we should devote some effort to helping end this problem.

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Re: '14 Plows through house

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I am all for EVERYONE being retested every 2-3 years or so.
I would tend to agree if the tests were conducted like those passive roadside emissions monitoring. Otherwise, I would question the validity.
  • Texting while driving. Permanent fail and removal from gene pool.
  • Dialing phone while driving, permanent fail.
  • Sleeping in a traffic lane, 10 mph below surrounding traffic, fail.
  • Wandering across traffic lanes because on the damn phone, driving with head cranked over so far you can't see because onna damn phone, etc. Permanent fail and removal from gene pool.
  • Wandering all over the road or ignoring the green traffic signal because too busy stuffing face, fail.
Older geezers do have to provide eye exam results in some states... don't recall what age hearing tests come into play. Passed the geezer eye tests, and would pass the hearing test as long as not administered by the missus.
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Jacko, unfortunately it's not only teens texting, this applies to many young & middle aged drivers. Perhaps, the aged are more focused & we should all get a reality check before accusing certain age groups....


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I am thinking impairment as the cops first suspected but guess we'll have to wait to see what the test results say.
One of the more significant findings in the unintended acceleration tests was that folks who step on the gas instead of the brake will push harder on the gas, even though their senses may be telling them that the vehicle is NOT slowing down.

This characteristic of "I'm so perfect I could not possibly be mistaken" does not appear to apply universally, as can be verified by just reversing the position of the pedals... where some will notice that result != expected and either stop pressing that pedal or may even pick the other one.
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This characteristic of "I'm so perfect I could not possibly be mistaken" does not appear to apply universally,
This might be why those of us who are truly perfect must suffer with those who are not...
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I would tend to agree if the tests were conducted like those passive roadside emissions monitoring. Otherwise, I would question the validity.
  • Texting while driving. Permanent fail and removal from gene pool.
  • Dialing phone while driving, permanent fail.
  • Sleeping in a traffic lane, 10 mph below surrounding traffic, fail.
  • Wandering across traffic lanes because on the damn phone, driving with head cranked over so far you can't see because onna damn phone, etc. Permanent fail and removal from gene pool.
  • Wandering all over the road or ignoring the green traffic signal because too busy stuffing face, fail.
Older geezers do have to provide eye exam results in some states... don't recall what age hearing tests come into play. Passed the geezer eye tests, and would pass the hearing test as long as not administered by the missus.
You forgot:

- People driving a Prius in the HOV lane and going 50
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If you look at the 'Fatal' heading in the last two columns you spoke of the 75+ are clearly involved in the most fatal car accidents per 100,000. The last column overall accidents some reason is out of 100. I'm not sure why but I wouldn't want to base any hard conclusions on that base.
The data come from the same sample in both cases. That last column is expressed per 100 drivers because that allows it to be interpreted in percentage terms (which accounts for differences in numbers of drivers of different age groups). e.g., the table shows that in 2009, 9% of all drivers in the age range 25-34 were involved in some kind of auto accident, and 0.024% were involved in a fatal accident. During the same year 4% of drivers over 75 were involved in some kind of auto accident, and 0.028% were involved in a fatal accident. Comparable figures for other ages are also provided.

Overall, the table shows that drivers 65 and older are less likely to be involved in any kind of accident than drivers in any other age group. Fatalities are rare for all age groups, but are highest for drivers under 24 and lowest for drivers 55-74. So the 68 yo driver in this case came from the age group least likely to be involved in any kind of accident, fatal or otherwise.
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Re: '14 Plows through house

Ya know, if a monkey got behind the wheel (who never had driven lessons, LOL)



..and drove down main street he/she still won't be the most dangerous demo because they're just aren't that many monkeys driven down main street putting alot of miles behind them. The chart does not take into account miles driven or accident per mile driven, but the fact that the 75+ group doesn't show well is all the worst since they just don't drive that much or very far.

This is not about 60 year olds, check my numerous posts defending that age group, this is about people much older that lost physical/mental ability and should be re-tested.
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Re: '14 Plows through house

Earlier in this thread a few comments like: "another reason why old people shouldn't be driving" and "I agree. Especially old women..." implied that the driver in this unfortunate incident was incompetent to drive by virtue of her age. Someone then refuted that implication by posting a link to some relevant accident rates. After reading that source, I noted that the driver in this case is in an age group that is less likely to be involved in accidents than other age groups.

It's a separate issue whether drivers older than the woman in this story have fewer accidents simply because they drive infrequently. I can't comment on the accident rates for chimpanzees, but it is true that the human data show that accidents per distance driven decline steadily with age, before reversing slightly for the oldest age group. But it is also true that the accident rate for drivers over 80 has dropped dramatically in recent years. Take a look at this report of a recent study: "Accident rates improving for older drivers"
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What I've noticed on this thread is an abundance of unfounded prejudice. Common sense and logic very rarely triumph over this sort of thinking.
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